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Most of the laws have been in years but teams have just smartened up exploited the laws already there

You could for years catch a team offside by the second row holding the ball at their feet and the defence would then think it's out and encroach and be penalised
But they would be entitled to move as soon as it passes the second rows feet and is at loose forwards feet and entitled to go for it

I would of liked to see a law that if a team quickly pack six players and have a scrum half there to stop the clock at scrum the same players must remain there and form the scrum for that scrum and not wander off and players swap places.

1) Why don't teams tap the ball with their knees as it is quicker and legal to do so at 20m restarts?

2) why don't teams simply move the mark back at a tap penalty to as far back as they want as the defence has to stay 10m from original message mark instead of kicking the ball backwards into touch when near opposition goal line which allows defence to set themselves 10m from the new mark ( I understand sometimes it is advantageous when penalty is nearer than 10m from touch to kick it into touch to get more width at second phase tap) but not just when it's near the goal line?!

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Quote: sausagefingers "Most of the laws have been in years but teams have just smartened up exploited the laws already there


1) Why don't teams tap the ball with their knees as it is quicker and legal to do so at 20m restarts?

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It actually isn't legal. The 20m restart is actually called a 20m optional kick. You can either play the ball to yourself by tapping the foot (the kick bit) or by hoofing it straight downfield and maybe hoping to get it into touch after a bounce (and recovering possession).

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Quote: davey37 "Would also like to see them introduce the rule where the six players who rush in to form a scrum and stop the clock have to stay in the scrum. Hate it when they all then walk away.'"


With you on this. Maybe next year.

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Quote: Mick Cranes Sidestep "It actually isn't legal. The 20m restart is actually called a 20m optional kick. You can either play the ball to yourself by tapping the foot (the kick bit) or by hoofing it straight downfield and maybe hoping to get it into touch after a bounce (and recovering possession).'"

Yes but seen as you can tap the ball anywhere between your toe and your knee shin included it is legal!

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The referees also need to ENFORCE the rule whereby the player actually puts the ball on the ground and plays it with his foot. It might encourage more craft from dummy half rather than endless scoots.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "The referees also need to ENFORCE the rule whereby the player actually puts the ball on the ground and plays it with his foot. It might encourage more craft from dummy half rather than endless scoots.'"

Totally agree. Still teaching kids from 5 yrs old to play the ball with foot only to see the professionals continually not bothering. Would help to clean the ruck up imo and like you say maybe encourage more creative play

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Quote: threepennystander "Totally agree. Still teaching kids from 5 yrs old to play the ball with foot only to see the professionals continually not bothering. Would help to clean the ruck up imo and like you say maybe encourage more creative play'"

Totally agree and it would only take a couple of video referee decisions of not awarding trys because at the previous play the ball it wasn't played with the foot and all players would make sure they played the ball correctly plus the added bonus the players wouldn't know if the next play they were going to score and be refered to video so would make sure they played the ball a014.gif

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All well and good enforcing a correct PTB but the sloppy ones are often a countermeasure to all the wrestling and other interference to prevent the ball being played. Can't have one without the other. Ironic the suggestion comes from a Pies fan, the team that has done more than any other to ruin the PTB.

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We'll be buggered then. In a top 5 of players that don't play the ball propey talsnoa Fonua and watts would all be in tbf

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Quote: Erik the not red "All well and good enforcing a correct PTB but the sloppy ones are often a countermeasure to all the wrestling and other interference to prevent the ball being played. Can't have one without the other. Ironic the suggestion comes from a Pies fan, the team that has done more than any other to ruin the PTB.'"

don't agree to be honest. At the end of the day no matter how much wrestling occurs on the floor you have to regain your feet. Majority of the time the player could play the ball with his foot but just doesn't bother as he knows the rule is never enforced. A few penalties against would soon sort it out. Would you fancy facing Radders after game if a loss came down to not playing a ball correctly. Time we stopped making excuses for not enforcing a simple rule

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Who cares if someone actually plays the ball with their foot or not? We should be getting to grips with the tactics that slow the game down, not those that speed it up

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If we have players having to play the ball with the foot properly then the officials absolutely have to enforce the defending team not to encroach before the ball actually is in the hands of the DH. That players rarely put their foot on the ball as mentioned above is to not only counter the shenanigans at the ruck but the encroachment of the defending teams that refs/tocuhies rarely enforce properly.
That narrowing down of the 10metres is what stunts free and open play as well as markers that are blatently not standing square.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "If we have players having to play the ball with the foot properly then the officials absolutely have to enforce the defending team not to encroach before the ball actually is in the hands of the DH. That players rarely put their foot on the ball as mentioned above is to not only counter the shenanigans at the ruck but the encroachment of the defending teams that refs/tocuhies rarely enforce properly.
That narrowing down of the 10metres is what stunts free and open play as well as markers that are blatently not standing square.'"

Would like to see the attacking team get penalised when the player clearly moves off the mark meaning the square markers are no longer square. To many times last season the penalty went the wrong way. Wigan (especially charnley) were masters of it

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Got to agree with that. And it can be done.....

Quote: ccs "One thing that really impressed me in the Australia/New Zealand game was the play the ball, particularly by the aussies.
They simply stood up where they had been tackled and played the ball tidily.
None of this pushing and shoving and taking an extra stride which is making our game cringeworthy at times.'"


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moving of the mark and walking half a dozen steps needs sorting out ,

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