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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "You obviously don't understand the salary cap rules.
The £1.85 million is the base line. Have a look at the marque rule, the 10 year rule and most importantly the academy International produces player rule. Just to give you a bit of help, HKR will get an additional £10K cap allowance for Scott Taylor playing for England and the same applies for Josh Hodgson. Now look at how many Wigan academy produced players are /have been in the England teams recently.
Go and do your research.
btw A player will be leaving Wigan almost immediately to free up the cap space for Frank-Paul Nu'uausala and some of his salary I believe is still being paid by Canberra
hth'"
You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.
If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.
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| As a kind of outsider the Hull squad looks a more expensive line up than the Wigan one, Taylor, Ellis, Pritchard, Manu & Sneyd must be taking up a fair chunk. Even with FPN Wigan's squad don't look like a squad that is pushing cap rules compared to other years.
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| Quote: Mars "You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.
If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.'"
And as Rogues says "If" Wigan release someone will that satisfy you?
Because I can't understand what your point is? "If" Wigan release/Sell whatever you name it a Player then surely that would be an indication that they are up to the cap and needed to do so to get FPN in?
Where as anyone said otherwise?
PS - If he said he had a Million pounds sat in the stand wouldn't that be different to having a Million "Salary cap" pounds sat in the stand.
Assuming the other way that Sam is say on 300k then the other 6 are on 700k - Does that sound more feasible?
PPS - Bateman played however - Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Manfredi & Sean O'Loughlin were also missing so as I suspected 9 players out on either 850k or 700k dependant on what Wane meant.
Seems about right to me
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| Firstly the cap is live now so the RFL won't permit any club to register a player if it takes them over. Secondly, and more importantly we are a different club now, Dave Whelan and Uncle Mo hugely underestimated the negative effects of a salary cap breach and I don't think they even cared. Ian Leneghan runs the club in a very different way, the admin side of the club are far more professional and wouldn't drag our club through the gutter like the previous regime.
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| Quote: Trainman "Firstly the cap is live now so the RFL won't permit any club to register a player if it takes them over. Secondly, and more importantly we are a different club now, Dave Whelan and Uncle Mo hugely underestimated the negative effects of a salary cap breach and I don't think they even cared. Ian Leneghan runs the club in a very different way, the admin side of the club are far more professional and wouldn't drag our club through the gutter like the previous regime.'"
The same live cap that Salford have been deducted points for breaching?
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| Quote: crumpledshorts "The same live cap that Salford have been deducted points for breaching?'"
Not the same issue at all - any club can breach the live salary cap if they don't declare all player payments.
The difference is that Salford were found out.
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| Quote: ccs "Not the same issue at all - any club can breach the live salary cap if they don't declare all player payments.
The difference is that Salford were found out.'"
What's to say Wigan (or any club) are declaring correctly?
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| Quote: crumpledshorts "What's to say Wigan (or any club) are declaring correctly?'"
Nothing, all clubs could be spending double for all we know. Salford were done for concealing payments (though they are appealing). Melbourne were heavily penalised a few years back for the same thing.
It would take a whistle blower for any club who was concealing payments to be found out, if the were (and I include my own in this) I hope they would be deducted enough points to be relegated.
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"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
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Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
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| Quote: Jukesays "And as Rogues says "If" Wigan release someone will that satisfy you?
Because I can't understand what your point is? "If" Wigan release/Sell whatever you name it a Player then surely that would be an indication that they are up to the cap and needed to do so to get FPN in?
Where as anyone said otherwise?
PS - If he said he had a Million pounds sat in the stand wouldn't that be different to having a Million "Salary cap" pounds sat in the stand.
Assuming the other way that Sam is say on 300k then the other 6 are on 700k - Does that sound more feasible?
PPS - Bateman played however - Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Manfredi & Sean O'Loughlin were also missing so as I suspected 9 players out on either 850k or 700k dependant on what Wane meant.
Seems about right to me'"
Greg Burke Leaving
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