They tried to build a tunnel before under the river Hull and then scraped it due to it flooding , There's a bridge there now !. It's going to be chaos in Hull when the A63 upgrade starts .

Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve

It's something that needs doing , Castle st is joke , You've seen it yourself Mark the chaos you get with just one broken down lorry and the rest of the city stops .

You are correct in most of what you say regarding methodology, however, it will probably take a little less time to run the wire under the bridge. This is due to the fact there is no need to dig/pile foundations for any large steelwork to be landed like there is in 'open' track. The main challenge will be in the design, ensuring minimum wire heights are maintained. I work as an engineer for an overhead line company and most of our guys would know this as standard practice........hopefully

Also, I would expect that the work be planned overnight in line possessions to minimise the disruption to service. This is usually on a Saturday night/early hours of Sunday morning, most of the works go on without any commuters having any idea, apart from when we mess up that is!!

Replacement bus from hull to Hessle. Replacement raft from Hessle to Hull. Simple.

Standee reacts negatively to most things posted on here. Not a personal insult of course.
I'd love to know what the Tindsley Viaduct project came out to in the end!!!!!!!

Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.

Yours seems to be distance?

I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.

The A63 is costing £50m per km.

Using your criteria, which is better value for money?

indeed, the mind can only boggle at how much HST will end up costing per km for example - it will be miles more than the estimates. as well as just the road, there will be tunnels and bridges to build, all pushing the cost up

Crossrail is a little more important than the A63...

Like I said, it depends on the criteria your're using. Your initial criteria was value for money based on the distance it covered.


In terms of 'importance', does that mean what's important to you?

The best way to measure value for money vs importance would be by using passenger/user figures:

Crossrail will benefit around 200m passengers per year, according to their website. £14.8bn/200m is £74 per head.

So, the A63 route needs just over 1m users (road, cycles and pedestrians) per year (or 2,750 per day), to make this investment equally as financially viable as Crossrail.

A simple calculation was all that was required.


You seem to have lost track. Is this poor value for money because of the cost per km, or because it's not 'important', or because you believe it won't lead to future economic benefit?

What will Crossrail & A63 generate? It's virtually impossible to predict and you know that, that's why you asked. Of course, if you have the figures for the two, please share them. Not forgetting, you'd have to make that comparable to the relative sizes of the two projects, like I did with my simplistic calculations earlier.

When Crossrail opens in 2018 Londons population will be over 7mill

Is Hull's still falling sub 250K?

Thanks for that.

perspective, which is what I was driving at.

Anyway, should this not be on the Sin Bin...?