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Quote: Doc Brown "What is Swain doing nowadays? I'm not suggesting we bring him back as a player but a coach with his attitude and standards could do wonders.'"

I'm sure people think FC are Salford lets bring in everyone who as done good at the club eh?

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Quote: easthull fc fan "I'm sure people think FC are Salford lets bring in everyone who as done good at the club eh?'"


Pardon me for suggesting that I would like to see someone come to the club to try and help improve us. What an ass I am for suggesting such a ridiculous thing.

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Our play-the-ball and speed off the line are pedestrian. Houghton is far too readable. No-one doubts his commitment and heart, but there was a reason we got Heremaia in the first place. Lets hope Cunno can bring a spark next year. Either that or recall him now. See what he can do.

Far too much emphasis is placed on "local" players. They're not all brilliant because the were born in HU1, HU7 or wherever. You get the odd rarity but not all.

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Quote: fun time frankie "God you lot are so fickle a few weeks ago and came on here and said I thought josh Hodgson was a better hooker than Houghton and got shot down now he's the scapegoat for you and on westerman I don't watch Hull much but he can be the best player on the pitch or the worst in the same game according to the fans on here how does that work then'"


Ditto i said it 2 years ago and last season on the VT and basically got laughed at. Its great having a hooker who can scoot really well against poor defences but when its against evenly matched teams it doesn't work. Like Roby against Wigan for the past 3 seasons.

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Its hard not to like Houghton, because he gives you tonnes of commitment and never stops working. The trouble is he's just not that good. He gets through lots of tackles, but is a technically poor tackler, his distribution is not good enough by half, and his decision making is very poor. A couple of years ago I thought he would kick on in these areas and be a top hooker by now, but he hasn't improved one bit.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "A couple of years ago I thought he would kick on in these areas and be a top hooker by now, but he hasn't improved one bit.'"


Like a few players at the club he hasn't had to improve. Picked in the 17 regardless.

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Danny is a great player to have in the team the way the game is currently played. He helps keep the defence tight but we need to be replacing him after 30 mins or so for the more attack minded hooker to come in and hopefully exploit the tiring opposition.
His distribution and his speed of distribution are not the best but with good intense coaching he will surely be able to improve this.

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Quote: hullbg "Danny is a great player to have in the team the way the game is currently played. He helps keep the defence tight but we need to be replacing him after 30 mins or so for the more attack minded hooker to come in and hopefully exploit the tiring opposition.
His distribution and his speed of distribution are not the best but with good intense coaching he will surely be able to improve this.'"


Sums up so much that is wrong at FC. Even if the coaching is sub standard, what professional sportsman fails to analyse their own performances and work on their short comings. This attitude is rife at FC.

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I agree he lacks some qualities, but I'd rather have 17 houghtons on the field right now, then these crock of

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d040.gif I was going to say dont believe what i am reading here but then again I do,we must have the most fickle fans in SL bar none.How on earth fans slagging Houghton of is beyond me.Are you saying we should have kept Heremaia ?lets face it he is inconsistent and his defence is not the best.The last two results are not Houghtons fault,a quick play the ball is a must for any hooker and when he did off palaeasena (twice) he made the break with no back up.Our ruck speed is pedestrian and the reason we are not performing.I have watched every game this season and we started off well a,for some reason we have gone off the boil .

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Quote: hokeydokey "

I like Houghton, I said as much in previous post. But I like him for his energy and his commitment, not his quality.

In the modern days of super fit forwards and fast defensive lines it is vital that passing out of dummy half is quick and accurate. If you dither around, the halves get no time on the ball and the attack breaks down. Houghton is great running from DH when the forwards are dominant, but no pack is going to dominate for 80 minutes every week, and when they are not dominant his distribution isnt good enough to buy the backs the time they need. The half backs get a lot of stick on here, and a lot of it may well be deserved, but its alot easier to look good when you are not being rushed every time you have the ball.

As for his defence, why do you think a man who doesn't play 80 minutes makes so many tackles? Its because teams target him knowing they can get a quick ptb. He doesn't miss many tackles, but in most of the ones he makes he is little more than a speed bump, clinging on for dear life until someone else comes to help him. Teams know they will get over the top of him and find their front. Ive seen countless breaks come about from this.

I'm not saying we should bin him, but we should imo go back to starting him on the bench and bring in a hooker who knows how to control a game and create time and space for his team. However we are going to put our faith in Cunningham instead, and although I love to see youngsters get a chance, I can only see us being worse in this department next year. I hope I am wrong.

Houghton isnt the sole reason for our poor form, far from it, but hooker is such an important position these days that we need to address it if we are going to make any significant improvements.

I dont want to pick him to pieces, thats just my 2 penneth.

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Danny Houghtons turn today is it?

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Quote: giddyupoldfella "Danny Houghtons turn today is it?'"


I've been banging this drum for a while. Its not scape goating, and removing him wouldnt turn us into a great team overnight, but hes not goo enough for where we want to be imo.

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I too have noted his deficiencies for a few years only to be shot down in flames on here by people claiming he'd been unfairly treated by not been selected for international duties. He's not good enough, his distribution is appalling it's not just slow, for such a pivotal position his passing is erratic. He works hard abs gives 100% but we need and have needed better.

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ive said it before and i'll say it again. if we send one player forward when driving the ball in, the defence can put 3-4 players in a tackle, resulting in a slow play of the ball as they win the collision and the wrestle on the floor. so from acting half it will be hard for houghton to do anything.

send 2 or 3 forwards up whilst driving in, the defence has to think and only put 2 in a talk, so better chance of winning the collision and of winning the wrestle on the floor, resulting in quicker play the ball which is were houghton is at his best.

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