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Quote: UllFC "It may sound dramatic but I am very concerned about the long-term future of the club, with the club not owning the stadium, our business model is set up on a big crowds & big shop sales, it can't survive paying £500K+ a year to rent the KC and get low crowds and reduced shop sales, and there are very few other ways for the club to make money.'"

In the spirit of 'gallows humour'...

One upside with crowds falling is we'll eventually trigger the sub-7500 crowd figure clause and start paying a greatly reduced rent.

Rejoice!

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Quote: Kosh "In the spirit of 'gallows humour'...

One upside with crowds falling is we'll eventually trigger the sub-7500 crowd figure clause and start paying a greatly reduced rent.

Rejoice!'"


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He was right in the end:



Quote: Kosh "In the spirit of 'gallows humour'...

One upside with crowds falling is we'll eventually trigger the sub-7500 crowd figure clause and start paying a greatly reduced rent.

Rejoice!'"

Do tell us where you know this from.

As everyone understands, its a flat fee for the KC, anything over 7500 is 50/50. Never ever mentioned sub 7500 gate (infact its an annual total crowd figure, so may change with the extra home game.) rent reductions. Its a first

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Only halfway into the season and they were people leaving at half time .

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Quote: UllFC "For the first time in my life I have lost interest in the club, I have sat through bad times before, but back then we were skint and had a crumbling ground and you could understand why.

It may sound dramatic but I am very concerned about the long-term future of the club, with the club not owning the stadium, our business model is set up on a big crowds & big shop sales, it can't survive paying £500K+ a year to rent the KC and get low crowds and reduced shop sales, and there are very few other ways for the club to make money.

the mood of the fans is the worst I have ever known it, most people around me where indulging in 'Gallows Humour' last night and mocking the team and Radford. Others were fiddling about with their mobile phones. I don't blame people, you have to do something to entertain yourself when the rugby on the field is so dire! it will only take another thousand or 2 fans to get bored and stop going and the club will rack up heavy losses.

I have lost my patience with Pearson, he has made 2 bad choices on the coaching front and for all the hype we are no better on the field than we were during the much maligned Hetherington/Agar days. In fact i'd say the squad is weaker than even our 2011 squad under Agar (still no half backs, Agar's side had stars like Manu, Briscoe & Fitzgibbon, and players like Horne, Yeaman & Whiting where younger and better)

Yes a lot of investment has been made in the youth set up, but we can't simply sit back and wait 2-3 years for this to bear fruit, and with any youth development there is never a guarantee that the players will be good enough. Also if the crowds keep dropping as they are, you wonder if the club can even afford to run an extensive youth set-up.

with the upcoming league re-structure our woes coulden't come at a worse time, instead of having money spinning 'top 8' games the club will be playing the likes of Batley at an empty KC, and with that will come less TV games and less sponsorship money.

If Pearson's reading this the time to act is now, there is still time to win the fans round by spending big on a quality coach and avoid the club heading in to potentially fatal freefall.'"


Great post. Agree with everything you say. a014.gif

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Quote: B0NES "Only halfway into the season and they were people leaving at half time .'"


Someone sat on the same row as me left when we were 12-0 down. I initially thought they'd got up to go to the toilet or something but they never came back! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: B0NES "Only halfway into the season and they were people leaving at half time .'"


The season ended when we lost the cup game. I wasn't a fan of the new league structure when it was announced, but i'm willing to give it a chance now as SL can't continue with only 4/5 clubs having a realistic chance of Old Trafford and the rest just playing dead rubber fixtures.

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I've got to agree with ULLFC.

I was one of those with stupid jokes, something i had to do to keep myself entertained.

Only good thing about last night was i took my lad (8 years old) for the first time last night, and he enjoyed it (probably as he didnt know what was going on, but enjoyed it with his mini offy shirt on).

Things need to change at the club. Radders was doing a good job with the kids, send him back there. 1st team job is way to early for him. Bring in a proven coach, sort out a long term plan, stick to it. Let him assemble the squad he wants, the structure he wants, give him the time he needs, not just one season and 10 games which is what we seem to do.

Even if it takes us 3-4 years to get it right, i'd take mediocre til then as long as we can see that we're going in the right direction, going towards the long term plan. Look at other clubs, how they've taken time to grow as a club onto bigger things. Should take our lead from them.

We as fans need to stop thinking we're a top 4 team every year, because we're way off the mark. We are top 6-8 at best. Thats just how it is.

Of course i want us to be winning things, challenging every year, but we need to start from scratch.

And Calm........................

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Quote: UllFC "For the first time in my life I have lost interest in the club, I have sat through bad times before, but back then we were skint and had a crumbling ground and you could understand why.

It may sound dramatic but I am very concerned about the long-term future of the club, with the club not owning the stadium, our business model is set up on a big crowds & big shop sales, it can't survive paying £500K+ a year to rent the KC and get low crowds and reduced shop sales, and there are very few other ways for the club to make money.

the mood of the fans is the worst I have ever known it, most people around me where indulging in 'Gallows Humour' last night and mocking the team and Radford. Others were fiddling about with their mobile phones. I don't blame people, you have to do something to entertain yourself when the rugby on the field is so dire! it will only take another thousand or 2 fans to get bored and stop going and the club will rack up heavy losses.

I have lost my patience with Pearson, he has made 2 bad choices on the coaching front and for all the hype we are no better on the field than we were during the much maligned Hetherington/Agar days. In fact i'd say the squad is weaker than even our 2011 squad under Agar (still no half backs, Agar's side had stars like Manu, Briscoe & Fitzgibbon, and players like Horne, Yeaman & Whiting where younger and better)

Yes a lot of investment has been made in the youth set up, but we can't simply sit back and wait 2-3 years for this to bear fruit, and with any youth development there is never a guarantee that the players will be good enough. Also if the crowds keep dropping as they are, you wonder if the club can even afford to run an extensive youth set-up.

with the upcoming league re-structure our woes coulden't come at a worse time, instead of having money spinning 'top 8' games the club will be playing the likes of Batley at an empty KC, and with that will come less TV games and less sponsorship money.

If Pearson's reading this the time to act is now, there is still time to win the fans round by spending big on a quality coach and avoid the club heading in to potentially fatal freefall.'"


Fantastic post. I've been calling Pearson for a while now, we are ultimately where we are now due to the appointments he's made since he bought the club. It's been poor decision after poor decision. He needs to get a grip before it's to late.

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Good argument, only undermined by the comment
"you took away Sunday games so I can no longer attend"

Not really relevant as many people can't make sundays (me included !) and that's nowt to do with the coaching

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There is a definite C change at the moment. Through all the crap we have endured since AP took over nobody has really questioned him. It's apparent now that some are starting to do that. That is a concern and one that AP should really start to take note of.

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Quote: deslawson "Cant comment on feka,but surprised with a few of your coaches selections,a couple of mates who are regulars reckon to drop rankin was a shocker.They know he's not the best,but shows promise and does score trys.How can players have confidence when they are in and out of the team,rankin,feka,crookes,miller etc spring to mind !'"


this is a fair point, we are wondering which halfback combo will be playing against rovers next week. in fact we wonder this just about every game. same goes for the props

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Appointing Radford has set the club back immeasurably, performance wise I doubt we will get back to the level we were hoping to get to and achieve consecutive top 6 finishes (both close to top 5 IIRC under Gentle) in the next 3 years..
I said this last year about Pearson not having a clue and being a tight wad all mouth no action but got shouted & derided for saying it...

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Dear me what great fans we have..not ..Pearson did promise success and even though we lost we had a Wembley appearance and then the really loyal fans..not get Gentle the sack just like the Kear who since the loyal fans..not.. wanted back .Did you think Pearson employed Gentle and Radford to fail??get a grip .Pearson has put a lot of cash into the Club to get a good side and yet again on paper we have but they are not performing.To put that down to the coach after only 12 games in is a joke .Look at salford the great Noble fails with some really class players and you want him here??Andy Last is respected through out RL and to call him shows how fickle and pathetic fans are.I have no doubt that if you asked every supporter to choose the side you would get many combinations.Radford picks a side he thinks best and the players let him down ..its as simple as that.Only Feka was the only forward to come out with any credit the rest were poor .Shaul was the only one in the backs. I hope your distrespectful comments about Pearson dont come back to bite us and we end up with no club because I would not blame him if he said enough is enough.Loyal fans dont think so

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Quote: hokeydokey "Dear me what great fans we have..not ..Pearson did promise success and even though we lost we had a Wembley appearance and then the really loyal fans..not get Gentle the sack just like the Kear who since the loyal fans..not.. wanted back .Did you think Pearson employed Gentle and Radford to fail??get a grip .Pearson has put a lot of cash into the Club to get a good side and yet again on paper we have but they are not performing.To put that down to the coach after only 12 games in is a joke .Look at salford the great Noble fails with some really class players and you want him here??Andy Last is respected through out RL and to call him shows how fickle and pathetic fans are.I have no doubt that if you asked every supporter to choose the side you would get many combinations.Radford picks a side he thinks best and the players let him down ..its as simple as that.Only Feka was the only forward to come out with any credit the rest were poor .Shaul was the only one in the backs. I hope your distrespectful comments about Pearson dont come back to bite us and we end up with no club because I would not blame him if he said enough is enough.Loyal fans dont think so'"


The fans didnt get Gentle the sack in fact i suspect the vast majority would have been happy for him to stay. It appears to be that his sacking down to other factors.Noble won half his games and dumped us out of the cup with a team he needed time to gel .Harris has managed 1 win out of 6.
AP has stated more than once that her wont accept us scraping into the 8 every season but with Radford in charge we wont be even bothering the top 8

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