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| Gentle paid the price for AP's unrealistic targets. Everybody knowledgeable I spoke to, yes I include some on here, knew that this wasn't a 2/3 year job. It's at lest a 5 year job this, and now we're back where we were two years ago.
Gentle concentrated far too much on the cup, and took his eye of the ball in the league, which ultimately cost him his job. The two Catalan games were the beginning of the end.
Radford will get more time because AP has had a reality check.
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| Quote: Chris71 "Who said we will be? I am just pointing out that 2 of the teams that finished below us have recruited well naturally it makes the competition for a top place more difficult.
I am also not saying abandon any principles but you stated 'we were one game from 5th a comfortable finish' when in reality it was a again another scrape into the top 8 and had a result gone the other way we could have easily been in 8th.
You also have to take into account that the squad at present looks a little weaker for next season than this but as long as the desire is there week in week out and the performances improve, are more consistent each week and can complete the basic skills then the rest should take care of itself.'"
Whichever way you look at it, an 8th place finish, comfortable or otherwise, is an abject failure. Make all the preemptive excuses you like, but anything less than 6th will be unacceptable to the majority of fans, and many will expect an improvement (i.e. 5th or higher) in order for Gentle's dismissal to have been justified.
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| I don't expect us to roll over and die in any game next season!
I want to see us compete every round and any players not pulling there wight dropped. If we did that this year we could of been in the top 4 and had a CC to our names.
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| Quote: Rock God X "Whichever way you look at it, an 8th place finish, comfortable or otherwise, is an abject failure. Make all the preemptive excuses you like, but anything less than 6th will be unacceptable to the majority of fans, and many will expect an improvement (i.e. 5th or higher) in order for Gentle's dismissal to have been justified.'"
I have not said a position of 8th I have said top 8 comfortably.
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| Quote: Chris71 "I have not said a position of 8th I have said top 8 comfortably.'"
But 8th is top 8. So if you meant top 6 (or whatever), why say top 8?
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "Gentle paid the price for AP's unrealistic targets. Everybody knowledgeable I spoke to, yes I include some on here, knew that this wasn't a 2/3 year job. It's at lest a 5 year job this, and now we're back where we were two years ago.
Gentle concentrated far too much on the cup, and took his eye of the ball in the league, which ultimately cost him his job. The two Catalan games were the beginning of the end.
Radford will get more time because AP has had a reality check.'"
Which Pearson talked a hell of a lot about too. I wonder how much of it was possibly Gentle just trying to please the boss, in which case being canned would be a harsh outcome.
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| Quote: Rock God X "Quote: Rock God X "I have not said a position of 8th I have said top 8 comfortably.'"
But 8th is top 8. So if you meant top 6 (or whatever), why say top 8?'"
Simple really because we didnt make the top 8 comfortably even though we finished 6th. I would like a top 4 finish however I am realistic to know this is not possible currently however if Radford can make changes as I've alluded to & improve performance & consistency then that for me is moving forward.
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| Quote: Chris71 "Simple really because we didnt make the top 8 comfortably even though we finished 6th. I would like a top 4 finish however I am realistic to know this is not possible currently however if Radford can make changes as I've alluded to & improve performance & consistency then that for me is moving forward.'"
Eh? There was never much of a likelihood of us finishing 9th. The lowest we would have finished barring an extremely unlikely run of results was 8th. We finished on 28 points and the team in 9th finished on 22. This is the very definition of a comfortable top 8 finish - we were in there by a clear six points.
If we finish in 8th next year, even if we're ten points clear of the 9th placed team, this would be a failure and certainly wouldn't constitute being 'more consistent', in any way, shape or form.
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| Quote: Chris71 "Simple really because we didnt make the top 8 comfortably even though we finished 6th. I would like a top 4 finish however I am realistic to know this is not possible currently however if Radford can make changes as I've alluded to & improve performance & consistency then that for me is moving forward.'"
We were 3 wins clear of 9th. Dress it up how you like in relation to where in the top 8 we could/should have been with one more/less result, but if you want to talk about how comfortably we make the top 8 you can only do so by measuring against the team in 9th, not 6-8th.
Scraping the 8th is doing it on the last day, not with 2-3 games to go.
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| Quote: Robbo4 "Now that the new coaching team has been unveiled and the Coach that got us to Wembley and a 6th place finish has been sacked with 2 years of his contract left to run what is considered an acceptable return for next season? If Gentle was the thing holding us back would it be fair to expect a much better season and what would be considered a much better season?'"
5th place . Win the CC . Win 2 playoff games.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Which Pearson talked a hell of a lot about too. I wonder how much of it was possibly Gentle just trying to please the boss, in which case being canned would be a harsh outcome.'"
I personally think that's exactly what happened.
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| As long as we see a visible improvement on the pitch, in attack. I'll be content.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "Gentle paid the price for AP's unrealistic targets. Everybody knowledgeable I spoke to, yes I include some on here, knew that this wasn't a 2/3 year job. It's at lest a 5 year job this, and now we're back where we were two years ago.
Gentle concentrated far too much on the cup, and took his eye of the ball in the league, which ultimately cost him his job. The two Catalan games were the beginning of the end.
Radford will get more time because AP has had a reality check.'"
I thought Pearson targeted the cup. Can't imagine Gentle did so without his say so.
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| To be competitive in every game.
To look like we have organisation in attack.
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| We could quite easily finish outside the 8 next year or as high as 5th. Depends if Radford is any good
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