I have questioned more than most, earlier than most, whether our coach was the saviour most on here seemed to get carried away about.

Straight after a derby defeat, 9 games into a season, maybe isn't the time to start a shrieking OUT thread.

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I'd rather sack players first than gentle.

gentle wanted a pack that was mobile and to play expansive rugby! thats where he has got it wrong imo, this isnt the NRL its SL, we dont have the quality of players to be mobile and we definatly dont have the players to be expansive, or the players choose not to be!

how many games are we going to be outmuscled in the pack by teams this season, we don't have an aggresive forward in our squad who can punch holes in other teams defences, rovers had two or three players of that kind who bullied our forwards from minute 1 and gave hall all the time in the world to put kicks in as we were constantly on the back foot 95% of the game! until we get some decent hard hitting prop we will be an easy touch!

I know it was last year but how can you say they out enthused us in the derbys last year? + their still only worth 2 points.

Also do you seriously think AP doesn't know we still need halfbacks & hasn't been trying?

Ogre and Watts are aggressive props who have an offload, but for some reason not doing it this season compared to last season. That's what I don't get, what's changed?

not saying sack him, but im not remotely inspired by gentle at the mo, n clearly the players arent either. we had a stronger side vs widnes n still lost(absolutely terrorised by hock who took the p1ss out of our pack)
theres a problem in the hull team n i dont know what it is, but gentle had better address it soon because i dont think pearson will put up with it, he wont suffer fools gladly.
n what has mcraea done to justify his pay check.massive hb problem since cooke n brough left, still a problem though isnt it

Don't think we lost the forward battle at all, we made good meters all game. We were just poor in the halves, because we had none.
It's alright looking for scapegoats and wanting the coach out etc. but until we address the fundamental problem things will never improve.
We are without doubt the dumbest, most unintelligent set of rugby players in the league. Only Rich Whiting has a rugby brain. So when our halves are out we run around like headless chickens and panic, we are unable to stick to the structures which makes whoever plays in the halves job even more difficult as players shouldn't need their hands holding.
We look better when we offload and play off the cuff, which is the only criticism of Gentle I have so far as its obviously an instruction he's given not to offload.

Pressure of expectation from our first defeat of the season.
And it's mounting.

Agreed. Our forwards got us to their line, it was then where we were clueless. This is why it's so frustrating, we get so close, yet we are so far away.

There's more to winning the forward battle than making metres. Rovers dominated the collision and the ruck, both in defence and in attack. Our second phase was non-existent. Our play the ball speed was fooking dire. That is not the work of a pack that is on top.

We got plenty of quick ball, we just didn't have a fecking clue what to do with it.

I disagree. It was slow and laboured. And we didn't have a clue what to do with it.

This.

Watts and O'Meley were ok, the rest were poor including the bag of s41t Johnson who gets bounced around like a rag doll. Not even big or strong enough for second row let alone front row.

Still doesnt change other things like defensive line speed which is none existent, speed of play the balls which are the same week in week week out yet never change which means either the coach doesnt see it or doesnt have the ability or balls to change the team or the way it plays

Did you Sky+ the game? You need to watch it back, we had enough.