He stayed with us while Agar and Hetherington were in charge, but now he's leaving to challenge? Yeah, that's it.
If Saints make a final in the two years he's there I'll be shocked.

Yes, with all them finals Nathan Brown's got to it's bound to happen.

The thing is even when Saints don't look like they'll do much, they actually do. And as he's coming to the end of his career I don't think he'd want to wait a few years to find out if this regime will work out. (I'm not knocking this regime, I'm a massive fan of Gentle and Pearson)

Manu's leaving!!! Why didn't someone say?

He might change his mind and ask to stay yet!

I wish

Gentle hasn't got his own team yet Seb

And everyones presuming that once players are released and new come in we will improve. What if we dont as personally i dont see it apart from a couple of glimpses so far

The side improved this season and played some good rugby, since players have been told their not longer required or have accepted other deals we've gone backwards quickly.

He has gone to be closer to his Tongan friends.
Willie is very close to Moa who is leaving.He is also very close to Lauaki and Tevita Vaikona who have both left the area.When he says family reasons,I believe him.
When I played for Tevita's touch rugby side a couple of years ago,all the Tongans where always there.
They are a very close knit group.

I find the disrespect from some fans staggering. And the paranoia of some always thinking there is some hidden reason just plain boring.

Manu (or Manu's family) are losing their support net work. The south sea islanders and maori's are incredibly close and do most things as a collective group.

If it was about money he would have stayed at Hull.

So you're presuming we won't improve.

Let's just wait and see. Gentle is a good coach and with a bunch of players that he wants and who want to play for him, you never know.

You do realise Manu was here a long time before Moa & Lauaki, don't you? I can't believe he coped, can you?

Lovely, positive thread to wake up to!

We already have and we will contintue to improve under Gentle.

I've missed all the jolly banter on here.