just goes to show it's not the be all and end all eh!!!

Terrible individual error on Washbrook which was miles below the required standard. That said once again he was the only channel with the ball as Ellis proved beyond doubt that he's miles out of his depth at this level.

I'd take good every week over very good once a month every time.

Yes I know but was very poor today

Average at best, but better than we have had in recent years, which tells you how woeful it has been.

We need quite a few things before we can challenge for silverware, a replacement for Seymour is not in the top 5 IMO. As I've said before, if we sign a 6 of the right standard I think may well be good enough anyway, ATM there's just too much for him to do alone.

Agree with that, but ability wise they're miles apart, IMO.

It might not be in the top 5, but I think it'll become necessary before we're serious contenders. Unless, as you say, we sign a world class 6, then we might be ok.

He'll look like a world beater alongside holdsworth next year

Bigger problems than Seymour

Completely agree. Look across the comp at 7 next year - Myler, Brough, Lomax, Smith etc, apart from Dureau it's hardly a stellar cast. Seymour is adequate with a quality 6 to play alongside and a tight gameplan.

Adequate, you say? Heady days indeed!

Very poor defensively I thought today

Good enough then. Top class half backs belong in the NRL. The British comp can't afford them anymore and the last quality British 7 was Sean Long, before him probably Shaun Edwards. SL is the home of the adequate scrum half, we're not much better or worse than other clubs, even the top ones, in this respect.

Maybe, but the top clubs do tend to have at least one half that's better than adequate. Hell, even Cas have one class half, even if he is a cock.