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Quote: Rock God X "FFS. He's good, but he's not that good. He's a strong, elusive runner who backs up well and, as a result, scores a lot of tries. The fact that he's in the sort of position where he's heavily involved in the attack means that he stands out a lot more than a prop or second row who might be just as effective at carrying out their respective roles. He's an 'end product' player - a finisher - but he needs others to be doing their jobs just as well as he does his in order for that to be possible. The way some people go on you'd think he was quite literally a one man team. I don't think he's any better in his position than Roby/Burgess/Ellis (for example) are in theirs, he's just been hyped up that much by Eddie and Stevo that some people have started to believe he's some sort of RL God.'"


He is a good player but agree with most of what you say. As for the booing it is up to the supporters if they choose to boo him, they have paid their money and they are allowed to voice their opinions.

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stupid topic

not been booed in the previous england four nations games so why this one ...because its in hull?

England game....cheer England!

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Quote: tommyfromhull "He's England's best play at 21.'"


I'd disagree. He's one of our best, but I find it hard to accept that he's definitely better than Graham or Roby or Ellis etc. He just attracts more of the glory because he scores a lot and makes eye-catching runs.

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Quote: Rock God X "I'd disagree. He's one of our best, but I find it hard to accept that he's definitely better than Graham or Roby or Ellis etc. He just attracts more of the glory because he scores a lot and makes eye-catching runs.'"

Maybe so, especially with Roby, but he is definatley as good as them at his position, and much younger. He is an exciting player who creates a lot for himself and is worth raving about IMO.

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Quote: tommyfromhull "Maybe so, especially with Roby, but he is definatley as good as them at his position, and much younger. He is an exciting player who creates a lot for himself and is worth raving about IMO.'"


He is an exciting player, but some of the stuff that gets written about him on here is way OTT. And I don't believe any single player is worth changing the entire salary cap structure for, which is what appears to have happened here.

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Quote: Rock God X "He is an exciting player, but some of the stuff that gets written about him on here is way OTT. And I don't believe any single player is worth changing the entire salary cap structure for, which is what appears to have happened here.'"

Don't think its a single player though, is it? Ellis, Graham, Morley, Burgess have gone to NRL. If we want to keep our best players in SL something has to be done, BUT it has to be done fairly with no grey areas. Time will tell.

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Quote: Dave K. "Great RL player, anyone who boos him on Saturday wants throwing out.'"



I absolutely agree, i cannot understand the mentality of anyone who boos an England player, especialy one that in my mind is one of the greatest prospects to play the English game in many a year.
I dont always agree with some of his antics at club level but, when he puts that England shirt on he is one of ours and should be supported as such.

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Quote: tommyfromhull "Don't think its a single player though, is it? Ellis, Graham, Morley, Burgess have gone to NRL. If we want to keep our best players in SL something has to be done, BUT it has to be done fairly with no grey areas. Time will tell.'"


I think it is one player because young British players playing in the NRL is (rightly) seen as a positive on the whole. The more players get experience in that competition, the better it will be for the international game.

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He can be a plonker at times but is really the only player we have who can mix it with the Aussies and who they really fear. Ellis is a tower of stregth but predictable (being a forward). I don't feel any of the others can cut it. Yes that includes Roby and Graham who seems to have a godlike status just for playing the full 80mins, solid defender yes but not a feared forward and rarely breaks the first line.

I hope to be proved wrong on Saturday against what I hope is going to be a massively aggressive Kiwi pack.

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Hope there are no boos for Tomkins, and no FC or KR songs either. Lets just concentrate on getting behind England.

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Quote: Rock God X "He is an exciting player, but some of the stuff that gets written about him on here is way OTT. And I don't believe any single player is worth changing the entire salary cap structure for, which is what appears to have happened here.'"


The salary cap structure needed changing anyway, it just happens to be Sam's contract that is the first one to be affected by it. The sport has sat on it's hands with respect to the SC for too long and as a result top players such as Ashton, Eastmond and now Joel Tomkins are no longer RL players.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "The salary cap structure needed changing anyway, it just happens to be Sam's contract that is the first one to be affected by it. The sport has sat on it's hands with respect to the SC for too long and as a result top players such as Ashton, Eastmond and now Joel Tomkins are no longer RL players.'"



Ashton hasnt been missed at all has he.As for Eastmond...look at Lomax and Gaskell,both would have been bigger losses and Tomkins wont be missed either.

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Quote: fc baldy "Ashton hasnt been missed at all has he.As for Eastmond...look at Lomax and Gaskell,both would have been bigger losses and Tomkins wont be missed either.'"


Your opinions, though not really the point. The point is union came calling and the RL clubs were powerless to stop them from moving. Now there is a new system in place where teams can keep try to fight off RU and keep hold of their best players.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "Your opinions, though not really the point. The point is union came calling and the RL clubs were powerless to stop them from moving. Now there is a new system in place where teams can keep try to fight off RU and keep hold of their best players.'"


You mean like club GB...That was brought in when Union was knocking round Radlinski and Cunningham and they was the only 2 that "joined" it.....If it can be applied to every club then fine and dandy,well have briscoe tied up on a similar deal then but you know what the RL are like with certain clubs.

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