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I'm not asking for a lot, I'm asking for the basics to be done like,

Support Play - we have had only one support player and that's Horne since Briscoe left.

Quicker play of the ball - one of the slowest in the league.

Accurate Passing - our passing from dummy half and in general play has been horrendous.

Defensive line speed - we need to show urgency in defence.

Long Kicking game - needs real improvement.

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I agree with most of what's been said (specially the kicking side of things).
For me two of the main subjects should be "motivation and commitment" sometimes players have been half asleep when they are passed to! One of the worst sights for me was watching players partying in France after a defeat, it's soul destroying knowing they don't seem to care when we lose.
Agars motivational skills were low to say the least.

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Quick play the ball has to be one of the main things as its shockingly slow

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A plan B in attack. We play exactly the same way be it we're winning by 20 points or losing by 20.

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Quote: hullandbroncos "Quick play the ball has to be one of the main things as its shockingly slow'"


Agreed but so is our passing in general, it's laboured and inaccurate.

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[quote="The Dentist Wilf":ordztzb0]I for one wish him well... One thing is for sure despite what a lot on here said he was not sacked or under any sort of investigation...Good luck Mr Rule![/quote:ordztzb0]:



Quote: Smiggs "Agreed but so is our passing in general, it's laboured and inaccurate.'"



That really is down to the e coaching they've been receiving over the last few years, no doubt straight out of the "you shouldn't have to coach professionals the basics" school.

Provided Gentle is what we think he is, it should be one of the easiest things to change.

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Pay off kingys bar tabs then move forward

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Quote: Superbowl Scott "A plan B in attack. We play exactly the same way be it we're winning by 20 points or losing by 20.'"

Not only Plan B, but what I am always screaming about is our players settling for the tackle rather then wanting to keep the ball alive and play more off the cuff. Often a player has been looking to offload, but there are either no support runners or the line has been set for the next drive/play.

For me it's the confidence and support play which has to improve.

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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club. Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you. "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005:



Quote: Garry Brindley Esq. "Small-minded nonsense. I'd happily lose to Rovers twice a season if we were reaching finals on a regular basis.'"


Spot on....id sooner be shining a big silver trophy than shining my c0ck with my right hand with a box of asda smart price tissues because they beat us.

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Need to be fitter and stronger.

Must have a better and more varied kicking game.

Must have improved defensive line speed and technique on the floor.

More players pushing and on more plays.

Support play has to improve.

Mentality has to change, need a winning culture instilled and inner strength.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "It's what I call small minded'"

I was being sarcastic.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "I was being sarcastic.'"

Lowest form of wit. No place for sarcasm on these boards

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Quote: Whiting "Very well structured and thought out post, but i don't agree with point 1 or 2. In fairness to Agar i think our defence has been very much improved during his tenure, and is a large part of the reason we succeeded in games during last season and the season before. Don't think this is one of our weaker areas at all.'"


Thanks for the compliment.

Whilst I think that our defence got marginally better over the years with Agar I don't ever think it's been good enough.

If you look at what sets the top teams apart from the rest in SL (and the NRL for that matter) it's their aggressive defence.

Phil Larder in his seminal RL Coaching Manual of the mid 90s identified that adopting the principles of American Football and looking to gain yardage from defence as well as offence was the way to go. It's a lesson that some of the old school (and I count Agar in that camp) have still not learned.

If you get the chance have a look at some of the games this season. The teams with the best records are always quick off the line and aggressively push back opposition players to gain ground. When you couple our lack of agressive defence with our awful kick and chase game it's no coincidence that we seemed to play nearly all the game in our own half last season.

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Quote: Lang Park "Thanks for the compliment.

Whilst I think that our defence got marginally better over the years with Agar I don't ever think it's been good enough.

If you look at what sets the top teams apart from the rest in SL (and the NRL for that matter) it's their aggressive defence.

Phil Larder in his seminal RL Coaching Manual of the mid 90s identified that adopting the principles of American Football and looking to gain yardage from defence as well as offence was the way to go. It's a lesson that some of the old school (and I count Agar in that camp) have still not learned.

If you get the chance have a look at some of the games this season. The teams with the best records are always quick off the line and aggressively push back opposition players to gain ground. When you couple our lack of agressive defence with our awful kick and chase game it's no coincidence that we seemed to play nearly all the game in our own half last season.'"


You're definitely knowledgeable in the subject. However i think our defence is sufficient to win the league in its current state. Other areas of our game which i feel need to be improved much more would have a positive effect on our defence anyway, such as a better territorial kicking game which would put our defence under less pressure, along with things such as quicker play the balls which should in turn tire out opposition. And of course being smarter with the ball in hand, allowing the opposition as little ball as possible reducing the amount of tackles our team should have to make.
As a supporters selfish view, i would prefer to see a higher scoring game, in which both teams focus less on defence and more on scoring tries and playing expansive rugby! icon_razz.gif

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Need a much better defensive structure. Sick of death of constantly conceding soft tries out wide.

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