Don't you go using facts on here, it'll get you nowhere.

Horne has struggled as he's been asked to do something he's never been able to do - get a team around the park. It's not his fault the club haven't signed anybody to do that role and stay fit. I'd wager that 60-70% of our tries this year have gone through Horne at some point.

Horne is a good player even when playing with injury. His long kicking isn't the best for sure but his short kicking is fairly good. He had a good game on Friday and has played pretty well this season particularly when taking the line on. Since his illness/neck injury he hasn't been as dominant defensively as he used to be but overall he is a good SL quality player who will likely line up with Seymour next year. Ellis needs to lose around a stone and a half pre-season and will then become a viable backup for those two next year.

I prefer Motu Tony

Horney is miles better than Obst in the halves and has been consistent through out the year. He is a bit like marmite some love him some hate him. If people are saying he doesn't deserve two years then apart from about 6 of our players no one else deserves contract extensions.

If Gleeson leaves I would move Horne to centre as it would shore up our defence down that side, and he is good near the line.

He has still been poor at half back though, his kicking on Friday in the first half was dreadful, and a better side would have capitalized on those errors.

seems to divide opinons doesnt he, for me he will play better with a good num 7 next to him, still got something to offer imo

Agreed. I just made this point on this week's Dentist's Diary thread

IMO he's had his best season for about three years.

He has good positional awareness, is good defensively, is one of the few FC players to back up the ball carrier and I was surprised at the amount of pace he had when breaking through to score his try on Friday.

The only thing that lets him down is his kicking game which remains poor, arguably too poor for a first choice SL half back.

you mean like Catalan..oh hang on

absolutely bang on the money there, well said.
and he has NEVER been a kicker and will gladly hand over that duty to the new guys coming in but agree he is having a good all round season

Keep Horne away from the long kicking game and he is a very good no.6. Very much doubt he will play centre, AP has already said we are looking to strengthen the right hand side.

Totally agree, very poor kicking game, lost a lot of speed, predictable,a very very average player. I hope Ellis has a good pre-season as although it was only NL1 which we can measure his performance on he looked far better than Horne with ball in hand and his kicking game was spot on, Horney for cover for me.

id rather Horne be in the team than not, and all these going on about his kicking game, Horne has NEVER had a long kicking game, his support play is good, his defence is good, ok, not what it was before his neck injury, but hes still a good defender, get a good 7 next to him and we'll see the Horne of old. that im sure

but thats kind of the point, he's never been a top 4 quality 6, even at his best, he is a great support player buut he just doesn't have the attacking option we need to break into the top 4 regularly.

Nice idea, it would help us next season alot