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Quote: berro's best mate "not many succesful business' sell utter tat to its punters on a regular basis...the board are doing well....'"


You can't question them to the myopic fans on here

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Would take our board over Rovers board everytime,only thing they have got wrong is appointing and backing Agar......As for Hudgell,he may be a succesful buisnessman but all he is botherd about is getting one over on us and overrides Morgan on signings...Cooke defo springs to mind

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Quote: Jake the Peg "No, I wouldn't want a rovers fan in charge of the club but I would like a Hull fan on our board (a real one, not a pretend ex public school one) who actually has some say in teh way we're run. I'd rather see someone like pete smurthwaite in charge than this lot'"


Some of us remember the times when we did have a dedicated FC fan in charge of the club. Some of them were successfull business men too, that didn't prevent them from presiding over a loss in fortunes on and off the field.

We also remember one such chairman 'doing a Hudgell' in the dressing room, the reaction from Lee Crooks led directly to him being sold to Leeds

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Quote: cod'ead "Some of us remember the times when we did have a dedicated FC fan in charge of the club. Some of them were successfull business men too, that didn't prevent them from presiding over a loss in fortunes on and off the field.

We also remember one such chairman 'doing a Hudgell' in the dressing room, the reaction from Lee Crooks led directly to him being sold to Leeds'"



Yeah, I remember them well. The current board have done well off the field but with £3m from SKY/RFL and the council, plus a shiny new stadium and 13000+ fans, it would have been hard not to. Unfortunately the BOD will ultimately be judged by their successes on the field and this is where they don't seem to have a clue

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Quote: Jake the Peg "How do you think hudgell would have done with a spanking new council stadium and a support base of 14000 on average?'"


Aren't both clubs spending the full cap?

Both clubs board have made comments about their playing staff, wether it's Hudgell signing Mason or Cooke or Kath scouting for players.

I don't think the board should have anything to do with the playing staff except appoint the coach.

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Quote: Sheldon "Aren't both clubs spending the full cap?

Both clubs board have made comments about their playing staff, wether it's Hudgell signing Mason or Cooke or Kath scouting for players.

I don't think the board should have anything to do with the playing staff except appoint the coach.'"



Management by proxy?

I agree that the board should have no say in playing matters but they should certainly be speaking to the players on a regular basis. It's called communication

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What should they talk about?

Maybe to check their welfare but I wouldn't them talking tactics or performance.

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I'm more than happy with the BOD business management and how they generally run the club off field. ATEOTD we are a financially secure club and making a profit year on year. This in the long term has to be a massive benefit to the club and leaves us in a very strong position. We have not seen success on the field in recent years and we can all rattle off the reasons why. Perhaps the BOD want a financially secure club as a priority and are building towards the future and rightly or wrongly are putting this before on field success. I think you need both to be a successful club and without both the club would fail. Brief success on the field followed by crippling debts...no thanks. I want to see success on the field and want Hull FC to be a high rolling top four team competing each year and winning silverware. If this means waiting several seasons before the powers that be make it happen then so be it, I'll bite my tongue. Maybe those several years are over (after the last three!!!) and the signing of a young aussie halfback and some other decent signings are now the BOD's plan to have a tilt at success in the coming season(s).

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Quote: berro's best mate "not many succesful business' sell utter tat to its punters on a regular basis...the board are doing well....'"


we are the Ratners of RL!

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Quote: Jake the Peg "It's clear you know nothing about business so there's no point in talking to you about it. Hudgell probably makes more money from his legal practice a year than you make in 10 years. He is a very astute business man. His love of rovers has cost him many hundreds of thousands of pounds. You can question the common sense in pumping money in but he's taken them from nowhere to a guaranteed SL licence. He's levereged support from wherever he can. I don't like him but I wish we had someone at our club with his passion.


Anyway, it's tiresome having a discussion with someone who doesn;t elieve we have the right coach but applauds the BOD for not sacking him'"


It's nice you know how much I earn. You never actually answered any of my points about the help Rovers have received in the past, but not to worry. I'll let you go back to turning every thread into an anti Agar one.

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Quote: Sheldon "What should they talk about?

Maybe to check their welfare but I wouldn't them talking tactics or performance.'"



They can certainly address the playing squad and tell them that perforances aren't acceptable in the same way they could speak to the retail or marketing departments if performance in those areas wasn't acceptable

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Quote: Monko "I'm more than happy with the BOD business management and how they generally run the club off field. ATEOTD we are a financially secure club and making a profit year on year. This in the long term has to be a massive benefit to the club and leaves us in a very strong position. We have not seen success on the field in recent years and we can all rattle off the reasons why. Perhaps the BOD want a financially secure club as a priority and are building towards the future and rightly or wrongly are putting this before on field success. I think you need both to be a successful club and without both the club would fail. Brief success on the field followed by crippling debts...no thanks. I want to see success on the field and want Hull FC to be a high rolling top four team competing each year and winning silverware. If this means waiting several seasons before the powers that be make it happen then so be it, I'll bite my tongue. Maybe those several years are over (after the last three!!!) and the signing of a young aussie halfback and some other decent signings are now the BOD's plan to have a tilt at success in the coming season(s).'"



Which is all well and good but I don't believe that the club can continue to have financial success in the long term without a reasonable level of performance on the field of play. the drop in crowds this season is demonstration of that

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "It's nice you know how much I earn. You never actually answered any of my points about the help Rovers have received in the past, but not to worry. I'll let you go back to turning every thread into an anti Agar one.'"



Why do I need to respond to the points? they're in the public domain and everyone knows about them. they're not an indication of hudgell's business acumen, except maybe showing that he is astute in getting help from wherever he can. I'm quite happy for you to continue to bring up the anti agar stuff BTW so keep it up

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "After the recent goings on over on the dark side, it did bring into focus for me what a strong club we are off the field.
Whilst many are still unconvinced about Agar (including me), you have to give credit to the B.O.D. in their support of the coach.
Even though we have had some very poor results over the last couple of years, I can't imagine any of our club officials going into the changing room to tell the players their performances are not good enough. Morgan has one average season & the knives are out from everywhere.
What I think it does do, is give a bad impression of their club to any prospective coach or players.
Contrast that to Hull signing Seymour, after Berrigan recommended the club. I'm sure Fitz will do the same whenever he returns.
Whilst we have our gripes about the club at times, at least we act with dignity, & in a professional way.'"

This has been the great difference between the two boards since Rovers crawled into Super League.

The "little man playing big fish in small pond" syndrome demonstrated by Hudgell when he barged into the dressing room should not be a surprise given his continuous behavioural lapses whilst blinded by his green cataracts when it comes to Hull.

Banning the Airlie Bird; Cookiegate; the "sign them anyway whether we need them or not" Briscoe-Wheeldon-Hodgson-Hall recruitments; continuous digs in the program notes; the Mail article claiming Rovers have moved beyond petty backstabbing of their rivals even though the majority of the article was a perfect example of haw to do just that.... the list goes on and on.

Away from Hull, Masongate; dispensationtasticitus; the attempts to control the playing side of things; unwanted recruitment over the coach's head...

On Sunday he overstepped the mark with regards to Morgan's position. Justine was completely undermined in front of his players by Hudgell's dressing-room debacle, and the subsequent public announcements that the coach's position is under review has all but made Morgan's position untenable. No other club would expose their coach to this sort of unnecessary pressure - it is only making the already difficult position for Justine ten times worse.

Why do it? Morgan's contract is by all accounts very lucrative, and he's got another year and a half left on it. It's gonna cost a bit to get rid, and I bet there's not much of Mr Allam's loan left. The easiest way out would be for Morgan to quit...

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Quote: Jake the Peg "It's clear you know nothing about business so there's no point in talking to you about it. Hudgell probably makes more money from his legal practice a year than you make in 10 years. He is a very astute business man. His love of rovers has cost him many hundreds of thousands of pounds. You can question the common sense in pumping money in but he's taken them from nowhere to a guaranteed SL licence. He's levereged support from wherever he can. I don't like him but I wish we had someone at our club with his passion.


Anyway, it's tiresome having a discussion with someone who doesn;t elieve we have the right coach but applauds the BOD for not sacking him'"


Hudgell a business man? His "business" is the ambulance chasing fantasy world that compensation lawyers have constructed. Now he is very good at this parasitic practice which contributes little but harm and unnecessary expense to society; but a real businessman? One who provides real goods and services and has to deal with real costs and consequences and not playing games with bogus threats relying on questionable word games? When it comes to something like real business at Dobbins, ie attracting revenue to sustainably fund a team that is winning honours his record is hardly brilliant.

Hull's BOD can maybe be questioned on what they reckon is a successful recruitment policy for coaching and playing staff but I'm sure that they know that a successful playing record is very much part of the equation and that they are only harming themselves if they want a boring, losing team. One thing that is hard to criticise is their overall professionalism. If there was a "Club Hull", charges for watching training sessions, charges for Hull FCTV, blatant begging to fund junior team expenses, a recruitment policy where the coach is over ridden if it is thought that the signing would upset the supporters of one particular team and a chairman who reckons that they have the right to give half time team talks then there would be plenty of reasons to slate them.

Thankfully such grubby practices are left to a "passionate" embittered gnome at another club.

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