he will not be missed for just being big,however he would be missed if he could ever have repeated his try at fog bound saints last season but alas he never did

i hope you are right, however Matt Orford came over with a big reputation and how poor was he, Seymour is a good age and i am sure he will give us what we have been missing, i just hope that he doesn`t get built up to be some sort of messiah who will sort out all our failings on his own.

Seymour is a good halfback but never rated him that highly when compared to others in the NRL. He could well be a top player over here though so I welcome his signing and think he will be exactly what we need.

I don't question Heremaia as a player but do wonder why we signed a hooker when we had Obst/Houghton. Maybe Houghton is going, or maybe Heremaia brings different qualities such as an excellent kicking game.

Lauaki has hardly given any pens away this season, not checked the stats but I would be pretty certain on that. He always attracts a lot of defenders and makes yards but he is a player your either love or hate.

Exactly what I meant, you put it much better

I wouldn't even have him to the 17 at the moment.

Made 3 crucial errors on sunday that allowed Bradford back in the game.

He does about 1/2 good runs a game that is it.

TBH i don't think anybody hates him as he gives is all but a very large majority don't rate him

Which is their call, I happen to like him and think with a better coach we could get far more from him.

Very happy with these signings but I agree with Paul that a "quota" hooker didn't seem all that necessary, given what we already have with houghton/Obst.

We need at least two new forwards because, as someone has already said, we are looking light in numbers there and have had a relatively injury-free season in the forwards.

Fitz's replacement will have to be real quality because his contribution is absolutely immense and just cannot be easily found.

Think Tickle will step into Fitz's role tbh. Not getting into the LF argument so saying in terms of work ethic etc he will really step up.

Very happy with Tickle, Manu, Westerman as a backrow. Dare I say it, as good as any in SL but after those three, we look very light indeed if Fitz and Lauaki leave.

The front row also concerns me because, even if/when Moa and O'Meley are confirmed, it only gives us three props with yet another 1yr decision to make on Dowes.

In an ideal world, 1 prop, 1 backrower and replace Dowes with better, if possible. Finding 2/3 British forwards will be very difficult indeed which leaves me feeling very concerned about next season's pack. Hopefully we have irons in the fire.

I'm not making any assumptions about any of our signings as someone has already stated the times superstars come across and fail then 2nd choice NRL nomarks come across and are a revelation

Dobson. has much as I dont like him hes done wonders for rovers.
Crossman. came across with big raps and NRL ring did sweet F A.
O'meley. to some extent, many said he couldn't cut it anymore and was washed up. revelation here.
Orford, well, just ask Bradford

whilst Heremaia is coming into discussion with the signing of Seymour, does anybody think Heremaia will be used as our starting hooker with Houghton interchange hooker for the last 20min ?

FWIW i'm not sure i would have chosen to sign Heremaia but it seems like a good way to use them both

I think your all forgetting something here. The team next year will still be coached by Mr Agar. We could have 17 Cameron Smiths in the team but we would still go backwards.

Nail on the head for me! I've been saying this for 2 seasons now. Hame as a player under Agar is a waste of talent and quota spot, yet under a coach that utilised his assets, he just might be worth keeping. As Agar seems to be glued to his coaching position at Hull, we may as cut our losses with Hame - sad i know but true!

If Fitz and Lauaki leave, and we want to replace Dowes for better, where on earth do we find three forwards who have the sufficient quality when we have no quota places available?

For me, the answer to that question will make or break our 2012 season.