Cheers, I dont remember that actually as I didn't get into rugby until about '97. If you're going back to '94 for an example though it suggests it can't happen too often.

Anyone know if there's a specific stats company I could check with?, like football has OPTA?

Slightly off topic I know and a long time ago but as far as I know Agar was not coach of Aus at the time -

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Tomkins sending off evened it up to 13 a side

For me the issue is not so much losing to 12 men, but the fact 12 men can create an overlap against 13 men. Suggests the sliding defence isn't were it should be.

Amen to that.

3 years and counting

Really ? from where i was sitting Hull got away with a huge amount of cheap shots, especially on Sam Tomkins and Kirk Yeaman got away with 2 or 3 clean punches to Joel Tomkins face before he got a shot back(both should of bin sin-binned)

It was a good hard game and Hull should of won it but Champion teams do find a way of winning most times.

I agree with that one, touch young sam and he gave them a penalty..ganson disgraceful today.
our lads deserved a spoil today no doubt. If we carry on playing like that we will definately win more than we will lose.

I really didn't intend this thread to become another debate between the anti and the apologists. I'm not pretending my OP isn't an indirect dig at Agar, but it's also a fair and reasonable question that I'd like to try and get an answer to....

Both Tomkins got what they deserved and the pies got away with much more than us, every other tackle was a grapple

You must of been sitting in your armchair at home listening to Radio Wigan mate.

We have enough threads discussing the same thing, which is the way this thread has gone. If someone gets the specific answer Garry is looking for then pm him.