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| Quote: berrigans bitch "Morgan has won nothing...in fact he took his team backwards last season.
Agar has improved the his team and also made it to a challenge Cup Final.
Based on that information alone Agar is the best out of the 2.'"
Agar has also won nothing. It wasn't going to be difficult to improve on our previous 2 seasons finishes was it? Yes he did get to the final but he took over from Sharp mid season so he can't claim all the credit.
Based on coaching ability alone I would take Morgan over Agar. When it mattered in the play offs he did a right proper job on us and embarrassed us at home.
This is not an Agar bashing post but merely pointing out your view point holds no water.
Sorry.
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| Quote: barham red "AS I say I've not seen a great deal of him only the sky games and the derbies but he seems in a similar mode to paleaasina in that if a team target him, two / three times in a row he will struggle to get into the line and tend to either leave a hole or give a pen away. I might be being harsh on him as I've maybe seen him play 7 or 8 times.'"
So what you're saying is you've never actually seen any evidence of these deficiencies but because he's a big impact prop you just assume he's lazy and can't tackle?
Last year he averages:
Tackles: 15.7
Misses: 1
A much better tackle to miss ratio than say Joel Clinton for example.
Carries: 11.6
Meters: 92.2
He concedes 1 penalty every three games and when you throw in his tackle busts and offloads his stats more than stack up to any of your front rowers.
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| You'll find that most players cancel each other out, if we were asked the same question, we would probably say Dobson, Webster and maybe Galea, the rest you would say stick with what you know.
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| Quote: tony 7 "Agar has also won nothing. It wasn't going to be difficult to improve on our previous 2 seasons finishes was it? Yes he did get to the final but he took over from Sharp mid season so he can't claim all the credit.
Based on coaching ability alone I would take Morgan over Agar. When it mattered in the play offs he did a right proper job on us and embarrassed us at home.
This is not an Agar bashing post but merely pointing out your view point holds no water.
Sorry.'"
Holds no water with who ? You.
Morgan slipped down the league 3 places, Agar moved up 5!!
Remind me again how many finals has Morgan got to in SL..
Also Agar has prodcued Tom Briscoe & Houghton, who exactley has Morgan produced ?
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "So what you're saying is you've never actually seen any evidence of these deficiencies but because he's a big impact prop you just assume he's lazy and can't tackle?
Last year he averages
Just opinions, no doubt we'll see over the next 9 months.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "Holds no water with who ? You.
Morgan slipped down the league 3 places, Agar moved up 5!!
Remind me again how many finals has Morgan got to in SL..
Also Agar has prodcued Tom Briscoe & Houghton, who exactley has Morgan produced ?'"
To judge realistacally you have to look at where HKR where when Morgan took over and what he could reasonably be expected to achieve in the period he has been there. 5 years ago HKR where a NL1 club, he has took us up, kept us there, managed a 4th place finish and although last year we slipped 2 places, we managed to get another monkey of our backs.
Expecting any coach to win something within 5 years from that starting point is a bit harsh to say the least.
Morgan will need to either win something or seriously challenge (finals) in the next 2 years to be seen as still progressing
I'm not going to bash Agar as he's one of the few Enslish coaches in SL, but his chinning bar was set higher due to the position of the club in the last 5 / 6 years and i think his failure so far to bring in cover for your pivots could be a fatal blow.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "
Also Agar has prodcued Tom Briscoe & Houghton, '"
That's a serious accusation. Do you have any evidence?
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "And the anti-agar crew
I think morgan is a better coach than agar in ever aspect, from tactical planning right through to man management. Still wouldn't want the egotistical tw@ at Hull though
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| For a large period last season we had Webster,Welham,Colbon & Briscoe out. This left us massively weak in the backs hence the signing of Craig Hall to add some depth to the backs this season. We had Sam Latus playing a fair few games when he's coming through the academy as a Loose man and had to loan a centre from another club. Not ideal but needs must.
Now lets look where you've gone in the last 5 years and compare it to where Rovers have come from then we'll ask the question as to which club has progressed more under there relative coaches.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "
Also Agar has prodcued [iTom Briscoe[/i & Houghton, who exactley has Morgan produced ?'"
Quote: berrigans bitch "Hull net teenage Briscoe brothers
Hull have signed teenage brothers Tom and Jack Briscoe from Featherstone Juniors amateur club.
Jack has penned a two-year deal and Tom has agreed a three-year contract.
Tom, 17, who has scored five tries in the club's three pre-season trial games, is a centre or winger while Jack, 16, is a full-back or winger.
Coach Peter Sharp said
Who did Agar produce?
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| Rovers are that good I wish I supported them!
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| Quote: garroway "Rovers are that good I wish I supported them!'"
We don't..
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| Quote: Easty "Who did Agar produce?'"
So in three years(ish), Agar has had no impact on Tom Briscoe's development, despite him going from the youth teams to an England team regular?
Absolute one-eye.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "
Also Agar has prodcued Tom Briscoe & [iHoughton,[/i who exactley has Morgan produced ?'"
Houghton was promoted to the senior squad and offered a professional deal by Peter Sharp in February 2007 aswell btw.
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