couldnt agree more....pis$$s me off to be fair, the guy takes it at walking pace and seems to want to run through players when he could easily go around them...and as you say, he wastes alot of time, effort and stamina wrestling 3 players on his back every play

Imo there are only four clubs currently who can win trophies, Saints, Wire, Leeds and Wigan. We are up there with Rovers and Hudds trying to close the gap.

In the lead up to this game you were supremely confident we would win, we had an off night. We need to improve and I think we will, we won't go from 12th to competing for silverware overnight.

We have far too many of these, and too often when the stakes are high.

thing is though, were closer to finishing 12th than we are to winning silverware and that is 1. not right and 2. not acceptable....

Bradford? You mean like Ian Sibbit.

We won;t have a huge recruitment this season but will next season, we are targetting huge names for next off season. Plus if we get Berro off quota then we could bring in an overseas half this year possibly.

I am as frustrated as you but it's not all doom and gloom.

I agree with you Paul. Yes, not where we want to be, but it's an improvement. That's all we could have asked for this season with such a turn around of players. Strengthen the backs and keep players on the field and I'm confident we can improve even more on next season.

but thats the point paul a few years ago we were a team that won a challenge cup and got to a grand final but weve dropped dramatically that teams like rovers who a few ago were playing infront of 1500 against batley have jumped above us and for a club with our off the field credentails it isnt good enough

Yes an area we need to improve. I am just trying to offer an alternative view.

It sickens me that we lose a game and people go beserk about anything and eevrything at the club. Yes we have to improve some stuff but christ had we won people would have been talking about reaching the GF.

I wasn't supremely confident we'd win tbh I was confident that the difference wouldn't be the loss of Yeaman and that our forwards would win us the game. That didn't happen we were beaten in the forwards and we lost like I said would happen if we didn't win that battle. So far I have seen the better teams recruiting strongly for next season and those chasing making astute signings. We on the other hand have done nothing. If this remains the same we will fall out of the 8 next season I guarentee.

What signings? If they are quota players then it's a no brainer we don't have a spot well actually we might have next week.

We have good players, a few tweaks and cover in the halves along with some injury luck and we will compete for the top 6 again.

Imo Berro has to play centre next season and with Yeamo we have strong centres, add Sharp on the wing with Briscoe and our back line looks very good imo. Tansey or Whiting at fullback plus cover for the halves with the pack we have and we won;t be far off.

think people overreacting tonight,disappointing tonight yes but derby games are like that.regarding this season,ive said all season that we are 2 or 3 players short in the back division to challenge the top 3.we need a top centre and a no 6.our pack is as good as most.wiil sharp is a good start,we need 2 or three more.

Think that's wide of the mark, personally. It's now been 3 1/2 years of this tripe, and some of us have been growing steadily disillusioned over that time. Tonight is not just one cloud spoiling our glorious summer of a season, it's the epitome of the cack we've been watching for a while now.

We targeted one this year, unfortunately he fecked off to Saints and we are left with Radford!

you mean louis mcarthy scarsbrook?? that is a huge name...

Maybe, IF we play better rugby. But if we don't sort that out massively I don't think it matters who we sign, we won't have the attacking game to win the big games consistently.