wow so we are finishing 8th now are we

2nd in the league and 160 minutes away from a succesful defence of the challenge cup

We should have reached the playoffs every one of those years, teams with ambition make a grand final and then kick on they don't go to the extremes of finishing as close to the bottom as possible.

no we shouldnt before this season started we had three terrible seasons

Does have the benefit of making any slight improvement look significant though

well said, some people will just accept mid table, a play off place, and be happy, not me, after the CC win and then the GF, we should have been a team that was contenders every year since!!

For us, finishing in the play offs is an expectation, not a sign of success.

If we finish 5th-8th and get knocked out in the first week of the playoff then the season is another failure for a club of our potential.

We finished 4th the season before agar took over

A succesful season imo is at least being contending one of the major finals on offer. We look only marginally (admittedly raised our game in a couple of games) better overall than last year. Losing to some of the lesser clubs (no disrespect but with our set up we do have advantages over a lot of clubs) is more frustration than anything else, is the playing standard on a downhill slope?

If we class a top 5 or 6 finish as succesful then our ambitions really are too low for a SL operation of our size. Already for next year we look in no better position than where we are now. Some people may see this and due to the lack of ambition, maybe not bother taking up season pass sales, sponsorship etc. Wigan will kick on no matter what tactics they pursue, Wire are on the up, Saints new stadium will be like breath of fresh air to them and Leeds are always going to be thereabouts in the foreseeable future. Clubs like ourselves, Huddersfield, HKR etc will continue to make the numbers up.

Ateotd, the core support want success on the pitch. The club are in a win win situation at present, 12,000 fans through the gate and no success yet still producing a profit? Surely with better recruitment on the coaching and playing roster and within the terms of the salary cap success helps mantain profit? Hull FC's problem is they dont have the relationship and contacts who can speak on behalf of the club and entice prime career players and coaches to the club.

I'd be happy if we finish 4th-6th and win 1 playoff game.

a limp slip down the table to 6th and a playoff defeat won't fill me with much optimism for 2011 though

Correct on every count sir.

We should be in the playoffs without question, but losing early on is just poor and no amount of spin can disguise that.

Hull FC should be better than that

Our likely finish at the moment is 7th and then away to KR or Huddersfield. Quins are always a problem for us , Crusaders will believe the points are there for the taking and Wire and Leeds , well we're relying on them being distracted. Although we'll get Fitz , Ogre and Long back Ogre will not be match fit straight away and Long's had such little game time he'll be rusty too. Getting any points will be tough. It's not exactly like we have momentum.

It'd be interesting to know how season ticket holders would feel about renewals if the scenario outlined in the OP happened?

I'm already seriously considering NOT renewing.

Doesnt affect me...i'l be re-newing anyway.