good post which sums Richard Hornes game play up for me,

He isn't a scrum half but he still should be doing more than he currently is. Don't think he'll be staying beyond his current deal.

He'd better not be... He's very average and has been for a long time!!

I'm not asking him to be an organiser... i'm asking for him to have a good kicking game for a stand-off.... He hasn't, He can't pass.... He always plays it behind the receiver which slows down the play, He's not that fast, and he can't tackle!! Coupled with the fact that he's one of our highest earners, i'd say get rid and sign someone else who 'can play on the back of a good SH' Ratchford can do that and he'd be much cheaper!!

He played at the same level as the majority of the rest of the team played. I'm sure the fickle fans on here will change there tune after horne and long can play together on the pitch for a few matches. If hes poor then, then i'll agree hes average. But i doubt he will be

Tansey and Whiting both superior full backs, although Tansey was awful today.

The thing with Horne, is that he has never had the ability to be a halfback. He would have made a great centre imo.

Not so sure I would use the word exceptional.

We had threads like this in the closed season. Then everyone ate humble pie when he had some good games. Now the vultures are circling again. What is it with FC fans? Our players are either world-beaters when they have a good game or not SL standard when they have a bad one. Is having a balanced point of view just too much effort?

Most of us said in February that this season depended on us getting Long on the pitch, which we've failed to do. That would enable Horne to play his own game at 6. It's a function of Agar's squad composition that we have a 33 year old SH (an acknowledged risk) with no cover in this position and therefore Horne has to do a job he's tried and failed to do for a couple of years. Horne had strapping on his elbow and leg and got an eye injury during the game as well. The frustration with him is his form is so up and down - as you say he was outstanding in some matches earlier in the season but aspects of his game today - kicking in particular - were really poor.

As one of the teams highest profile, most experienced and highest paid players we should be expecting good performances week in week out.

his position is far to crucial just to accept a poor kicking game, lack of pace and lack of any attacking flair except a drop of the shoulder that is so obvious its telegraphed.

as a great servant to the club I want to to 'happen' for Richard, but the more and more I see of him post-diabetes/injury the more I just don't think its working.

as I said in another thread, if he is to stay beyond the end of next season, it needs to be as a utility squad player...not as a first team starter.

the most fickle in the league i would say

To be fair, he's had 2 very good games( Cas and Wigan)this season.The rest he has been average to poor.

Please keep posting. It gets so extreme alls i can do is laugh

That was part of my point. We're too quick to big someone up, and then turn on them when they have a bad game. The fact is Horne is neither a hero nor a villain - it's more complex.

Guess people just want simple answers, even where there are none.