I thought our pack were poor last night. Only Kingy when he came on ruffled a few feathers. I agree with a previous poster about the interchanges. Give them shorter spells so they can be a bit more in. Thought Radford was poor last night.

Kingy played with some fire and Maloney(WHEN HE GETS ON THE FIELD MR AGAR) always rattles some cages.

and how much time did maloney get on the pitch??as for thackray,i'd give him another year,as he and tickle are the only one's doing it at the mo.dowes,kingy,radders to me should be on borrowed time

dont think our pack did too bad but its hard to gain yardage when its one man all the time. saints and other teams gain more by expanding play to the second rowers/centres and getting the ball away from the ruck area. allows quicker rugby,quicker play the balls and more yardage. simple but effective sets work well like this.

Yup. They also use dummy runners so that 4 tacklers arent just stood there waiting for the runner.

When some fans say "our pack did ok", I think what they mean is "our pack worked hard" which is all most of them are capable of. We have a pack full of forwards who, on the whole, are not big enough, not aggressive enough and not good enough.

Until we can get rid of the bulk of these very ordinary forwards like Cusack, Dowes, Radford, King, nothing is going to change.

The signings we are making for next season are certainly promising but they will not be enough on their own. Our pack (along with not really having a SH) is the single biggest example of mediocrity that currently stops us from competing with the best.

Should we really be happy to keep the score down and show some effort when Saints come to the KC ?? Is that how far the bar has been lowered at our club ???

I think there was a thread earlier in the season on the VT saying our pack was the best in the league, how times have changed. Our pack lacks speed and mobility.

It's ironic that we base our game on playing it down the middle, yet we have a modest workmanlike pack.
It was men against boys last night.

Gareth Carvell has gone, and we haven't got an adequate replacement. He was our main go forward guy imo.

Just as Briscoe was our rock, we never replaced him, and just as Cooke was the playmaker we never replaced him.

We will struggle to reach the heights we have seen in recent years unless we strengthen instead of taking steps back.

the Hull props never seem to run onto a ball a pace James Graham did this very well last night and made lots of yards. pack rotation was a joke!

To true.

How much we have missed the Crocker signing.

I always find this odd. Our pack did fine in terms of making yards down the middle as it usually does. The main problem is the painfully slow PTB and how clueless we are attacking the line.

Burnett showed alot of aggression, especially when they got lomax into touch in the southwest corner and he was right in Gidley's face

Very good point about our pack, they just don't lay any sort of platform for the likes of Berrigan, Horne, Thorman to play off (which is why we don't score any tries). Take Dowes for example, I really don't get what people see in him, fair enough he works hard, he plays nearly all the game blah blah blah... but I fail to see how this is actually a good thing? Props should be big, mean, aggressive ba$t@rds that break the line and play 15-20min stints repetetively. Who the hell wants an '80 minute prop'? When does Dowes EVER break the line, offload, etc? Never is the answer and although King and Thackery arent exactly perfect, at least when they come on they give us abit of impact. I look forward to seeing Manu, Lauaki, and hopefully a new prop all play together next season, then we might actually have a pack worth boasting about.. but until then, the likes of Dowes, Radford, Cusack just arent what we require imo.