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I think part of the problem is that he has 'inherited' quite a few of the team due to contracts etc but presumably it is the board who must take responsibility for the signings or lack of them. Problems sometimes start at the top which is of course 'the board.' I worry that the gates will suffer.

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I wouldn't say Agar was to 'blame'.
It's not like its his fault or he's doing anything wrong on purpose.
He's just obviously not good enough.
He was offered the job as the cheap option by the board and took it. Fair play to him, least he had the balls andconfidence to.
Just hasn't worked out.
I blame the board more than him TBH

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Surely he is to blame for the 5 drives and a kick tactics. Let's be honest, it is out and out boring to watch. I don't think he will be fired just yet but I cannot see where our next win is coming from and I only think it's a matter of time before he goes. The worry then is that Sharp is put in charge and we will be in the same situation.

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For mine,

We hear the continual positive comments from James Rule, regarding all the income coming into the club.

Why, not spend some money on a proven world class manager.

Kearney would come, IF he was offered a deal including, the choice of his own coaching staff.

Basically, its laughable that we employ coaching staff, who have no proven track record,asking them to coach State of Origin ,and international players.

Its like asking, Steven Gerrard to be coached, by the manager of Accrington Stanley!! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: weaver93 "Kearney would come, IF he was offered a deal including, the choice of his own coaching staff.'"


What makes you think that?

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Quote: Standee "What makes you think that?'"


He has been quoted as saying,

He would not coach a club in Super League, as the resources here,would restrict his coaching capability.

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Quote: weaver93 "He has been quoted as saying,

He would not coach a club in Super League, as the resources here,would restrict his coaching capability.'"


Quoted where, when and by whom?

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It was in a leading weekly Rugby League paper,
the last time he was here with the Kiwis.

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Quote: weaver93 "It was in a leading weekly Rugby League paper,
the last time he was here with the Kiwis.'"


Ah right, so you have no evidence other than your memory fair enough, I'll have a trawl and see if I can find it.

rlOh dear, you're wrong according to this Weaver, or does it?? I'm not so surerl

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Quote: mikeybikey "Surely the game plan rests with the coaching staff and to be honest I can't see that we've got one. We play a boring 5 drives and a kick game with an inside ball to Tickle the only variation. Yes, Agar doesn't do the forward passes etc. but the team are being sent out there with no guidance or plan, confusion will set in and errors will therefore be made. So actually the errors in part can be blamed on the coaches.'"


Well said.

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Quote: Man of Kent "I can totally understand the loss of faith in Richard Agar but is he and his gameplan actually to blame here. We've had a string of losses lately but only 2 of those have been by a wide margin.

Cas - 1 point. Were winning. Absurd amount of handling errors. Tickle missed 3 kicks

Salford - 4 points. Robbed by a blatantly forward pass with a couple of minutes to go that even the touch judge called. If the ref's on his game we'd still be in the Cup

Rovers - 4 Points. Great comeback. Could have won it at the end. Tickle only 1/3 from the boot. 15 handling errors.

Wakey - 7 points (but closer in reality than the scoreline suggests) Brough PUNTS a drop goal, which I believe shouldn't have been allowed; many handling errors. Twice with big overlaps that Hall fails to utilise when an outside pass is nigh on guaranteed a try. Twice we have wingers waiting to walk in for a try but give them a forward pass.

It strikes me that the games could all have been won but for individual errors. We scored more tries than Cas for Christ's sake but Tickle's boot let us down (although he can be forgiven for the occasional off day) Hall has given tries away against both Cas and Wakey with indecision from opposition kicks on the last tackle. He's also bombed tries either through knock ons.

Can Agar be held responsible for Hall's errors? Can Agar be blamed for Graeme Horne forwarding passing to Calderwood in front of the West Stand 5 metres from the line? Is it Agar's fault that players aren't watching for passes and the ball goes sailing past them?

I didn't think we played that badly last night. Wakey were just smarter in absorbing the pressure and fair play to them.

Just think that another sideways move and change of coach won't change a lot. Unless it was a genuine recognisable upgrade from what we've already got in Agar then I think we'd be better off sticking with him for now and focussing on cutting out errors rather than having the 4th different man in charge in the space of three years'"


icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif Give over watch the highlights show on Sky it was clearly a drop goal and a very skillful piece of play, to drop a goal like that when you're runnng at full speed takes some doing.

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Quote: Uptoncat "icon_lol.gif
I'd love to see it again but didnt look like a drop goal from where i was. Looked like a cross field kick at first, may have been the angle though.

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Quote: Standee "Ah right, so you have no evidence other than your memory fair enough, I'll have a trawl and see if I can find it.

rlOh dear, you're wrong according to this Weaver, or does it?? I'm not so surerl'"


Good work, can't see us getting him though. Remember when he was booed for winning man of the match?

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In reply to the OP you make some good points. In my opinion Agar has made blatant mistakes with interchanges and to an extent selection. The Sam Moa situation leaves me completely baffled. 3 games in 8 days and he doesn't play in any whereas previously he's selected on the bench before his plane has reached the gate on arrival here. Any match fitness he was building has gone. Ridiculous quite frankly. Also why was Rich Whiting only introduced well into the second half last night ? Plain daft.

In terms of selection Agar has not had much choice in recent games Once again we're crippled by injury and other non-availability issues - it's a fair point he makes about 50% of the cap being unavailable.

Tactically there are obviously big issues. For those claiming 5 drives and a kick I'm not convinced that's what we're sent out to do. The fact is we do try and spin the ball - cast your mind back to last night and most if not all the errors we made were as a result of trying to spin the ball wide. We simply do not have the quality of player to carry it out. Time and again the pass lacks accuracy or the receiver's run is mis-timed or both. The simple skills of catching and passing are not good enough and the players as individuals are not carrying out their individual responsibility when doing their jobs. Players failing to play the ball correctly and missing tackles are examples of unacceptable player error at this level.

In a nutshell we don't have the skills to compete at the top level. This is more down to previous recruitment policy than anything else. We have been to too keen to promote average 'local' players instead of bringing in specialist quality. Looking at our back line last night I would say only Calderwood and Washbrook (out of position) are players who can perform consistently enough at this level. Accepting that plenty of backs were missing last night those who did play are not the required standard. Our backs were basically rubbish - no threat and unable to even link up with catch and pass. Thorman is cetainly not the required standard as a scrum half.

We need better quality players. There are a fair few unavailable but it will take 2-3 years of spot on recruitment and existing contract expiry to put the wrongs right. With regard to Agar his recruitment was reasonable over the winter but we know all too well he cant get his signings to the club. I see no point in changing coach now. We're in transition and he should be given at least this season to begin to turn things around. When he speaks after games he identifies all the right issues. Only better quality players will solve many of them. He needs to improve too no doubt about it but he gets the rest of the season for me.

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Quote: Man of Kent "I can totally understand the loss of faith in Richard Agar but is he and his gameplan actually to blame here. We've had a string of losses lately but only 2 of those have been by a wide margin.

Cas - 1 point. Were winning. Absurd amount of handling errors. Tickle missed 3 kicks

Salford - 4 points. Robbed by a blatantly forward pass with a couple of minutes to go that even the touch judge called. If the ref's on his game we'd still be in the Cup

Rovers - 4 Points. Great comeback. Could have won it at the end. Tickle only 1/3 from the boot. 15 handling errors.

Wakey - 7 points (but closer in reality than the scoreline suggests) Brough PUNTS a drop goal, which I believe shouldn't have been allowed; many handling errors. Twice with big overlaps that Hall fails to utilise when an outside pass is nigh on guaranteed a try. Twice we have wingers waiting to walk in for a try but give them a forward pass.

It strikes me that the games could all have been won but for individual errors. We scored more tries than Cas for Christ's sake but Tickle's boot let us down (although he can be forgiven for the occasional off day) Hall has given tries away against both Cas and Wakey with indecision from opposition kicks on the last tackle. He's also bombed tries either through knock ons.

Can Agar be held responsible for Hall's errors? Can Agar be blamed for Graeme Horne forwarding passing to Calderwood in front of the West Stand 5 metres from the line? Is it Agar's fault that players aren't watching for passes and the ball goes sailing past them?

I didn't think we played that badly last night. Wakey were just smarter in absorbing the pressure and fair play to them.

Just think that another sideways move and change of coach won't change a lot. Unless it was a genuine recognisable upgrade from what we've already got in Agar then I think we'd be better off sticking with him for now and focussing on cutting out errors rather than having the 4th different man in charge in the space of three years'"



Hall out then because thats the name that keeps popping up, to blaise maybe just doesnt concentrate enough for me

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