I understand that, doesnt matter if they do though. My point about them being toothless was that they cant influence the club one bit if the club have made their mind up like they have. Would be pointless anyway.

The only reason the club liase with fc voices is to make people think they have an input and a say into what goes on, when in reality they'll do whatever suits them best,end of story and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded,imo of course.

Thats pretty much what i was trying to say. Same as most Trade Unions nowadays and like most internatl representative consultative bodies, all toothless.

Thats all of FC Voices then...............these groups arent worth a w@nk....the club will do what they like in the end,no matter how many times they say but we are the voice of the fans.

Thats not what FC Voices are about. They arent there to try and give fans some sort of influence or a say in what goes on. They are a communications body. They take concerns of the fans and present them to the club, and its then upto the club to respond. From my experience of been involved with the group in the past, most of the time, the club do respond. Sometimes they did feed the same lines on the same issues. But at the end of the day, FC Voices has improved the communications between club and fans. How much they have improved it, well thats for people to decide, but I don't feel it can be denied that it has improved

They communicated well about Friday nights didnt they.

I dont think they can influence the club directly, I don't think any club can have a body that does unless they have a massive supporter base like most Premiership football clubs, and some of the bigger lower league clubs. But they can have an indirect influence. For example, the club wouldnt like alot of negative press about them, caused by upset fans. The only way to get rid of that would be to please the disgruntled fans

The group is there to put the fans concerns across. If the fans didnt know about Friday night games, how can they have put their concerns to the group, thus allowing the group to put those concerns to the club? End of the day, groups like FC Voices are only as succesful as the fans make them. If no fan uses the group, the group becomes useless. If lots of fans use the group, then they become more helpful

End of the day Louis...i dont think either group are much cop and have said it constantly...we can argue til we go back to sunday rugby...

Ive seen some of the minutes from these meetings,they all go roughly along the lines of,
mr x asks james rule a question,
Rule can't answer as he doesn't have the relevant info to hand but will look into it.
mr x asks rule another question.
Rule can't answer,but will speak to someone who might know and he will then look into it.

Total waste of time, i'm not slating the people who are in Fc voices as at the time they probably thought it would be a worthwhile exercise but the club don't give a rats ringpiece about anyone but themselves and their over inflated ego's and will ride roughshod over whoever they can. The only way they'll take notice is when they lose out financially.

The lying barsteward, all he does is sits at his computer giving the odd bit of paper out

To be fair, while I was still on the group, they had become aware of this problem and the fact it was occurring some of the time. I didnt stay on the group long enough to find out if they ended up rectifying it so I'm sure that someone still on the group can confirm so

I am a member of Hull FC Disabled Group and also FC Voices disabled representative.

Since the stadium opened we have had a issue with the number of disabled car parking spaces. It had got to the point were there were quite a number of disabled people on a waiting list and that list was growing by the season. I have basically said to the club, enoughs enough now and I think you have to be looking into providing either a bus from Walton Street to the Stadium(exactly like Hull City do) or extra car parking spaces for these people.

I found out a few weeks ago James Rule and the office staff have given up their match day car parking spaces to accomodate these people and a few corporate spaces have also been found.

If the club did "whatever suited them best" they would have continued, season by season, to igonore this issue and just kept churning out " names on lists" etc, but because I have asked and kept going with this issue the club have actually listened and done something about it.

Obviously I'm deluded and its all been a dream and James Rule will be parked in his usual spot next season and my valuable time has been wasted.

Think you will find that was Mr Tingle

Mr Rule gave us precise and positive answers