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| Quote: dboy "
The link is to the changes to the process made LAST YEAR.
The panel decide if there should be a charge and what the potential penalty should be (the range).
The player (or in truth the club), then decides whether to contest it or not. Hull decided not to, so the penalty notice stands.
If they had contested it, a separate panel would be review all the evidence, including a personal appearance from the player charged (and usually a lawyer!)
It's a very clear system, so I don't understand why you are struggling to follow it.
"The players accepted the imposed penalty notices", is really not hard to comprehend.'" I'm not struggling - what you've posted is what I've being saying all along, the only difference is I've been highlighting the initial process, which reviews and sentences the player without the him being represented. That comes later if the club chooses, when a threat of increased penalties is made (to reduce the number of appeals).
It's like getting a letter thru' the door saying you've been found guilty of burglary (in your absence) and sentenced to 5 years, you can appeal if you want but you may then get 10 years.
Hope you can understand.
Maybe you could post a link to THIS YEARS changes, or maybe nothing has changed as the link refers to "2018 onwards".
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Trouble is one of those "favoured" clubs are currently sitting with 2 points docked for an offence that imo is worth a slap on the wrist at worst.
We have gotten away lightly numerous times in the past, what about playing ineligible players in the CC? And it's Cas that got dispensation, not Leeds. Take the tin foil hat off.
Taylor's ban seems harsh from what I remember of the game, but I haven't gone back to watch the incidents again. The fact the club have accepted the ban speaks volumes however.'"
The fact that the club have accepted the ban does speak volumes because of the way we’ve been treated in the past. Jake Connor misses a match, Danny Brough nothing, Blake Austin nothing, my post was rather tongue in cheek, sorry for the mix up with Cas and Leeds. I know longer dye my hair so no need for foil anymore. Take your blinkers off. Wigan smashed the salary cap and were encouraged to do so when signing players to avoid relegation not so long ago.
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| Quote: ccs "
It's like getting a letter thru' the door saying you've been found guilty of burglary (in your absence) and sentenced to 5 years, you can appeal if you want but you may then get 10 years.
Hope you can understand.
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Or is it like getting a letter through the door saying you've been caught speeding and have 3 points and a fine, you can either accept it or go to court where the penalty could be more and cost you a packet
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| The Club is lost at the moment.
There seems to be nobody , with any knowledge or influence in the game .
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| Quote: Armavinit "The fact that the club have accepted the ban does speak volumes because of the way we’ve been treated in the past. Jake Connor misses a match, Danny Brough nothing, Blake Austin nothing, my post was rather tongue in cheek, sorry for the mix up with Cas and Leeds. I know longer dye my hair so no need for foil anymore. Take your blinkers off. Wigan smashed the salary cap and were encouraged to do so when signing players to avoid relegation not so long ago.'"
I don't buy your first sentence whatsoever. Taylor is a key player and we are in a desperate situation currently. If we thought he had a case, even just a fairly flimsy one, we would appeal.
As for Connor getting a ban, if he has told the ref to **** off, then he absolutely should be banned, the refs get enough abuse from the stands as it is. I said at the time that we shouldn't even be appealing it. Austin didn't do much wrong as far as I can see. I don't know much about the Brough case. If anyone has got blinkers on its the people who think all our players are saints and it's just because the RFL dont like us.
The reason I corrected you on Leeds/Cas is because, since when have Cas ever been one of the favoured clubs?
And I would assume that Wigan's past breaches have counted against them this time. In isolation I think a 2 point deduction for what they have done this time is very tough
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| I dont think anyone thinks our players are saints but the fact its not the same accross the board which is infuriating to most people.
Wigan being punished for something that happened in 2017 is a joke in itself.
It was reported by the HDM that we was unlikely to appeal due to having a reasonable appeal rejected the week before. Again the likes of Chris Hill seem to say what they like to referees and question them time and time again. He was picked up on sky to say to the referee something along the lines of are you having a laugh.
That is why people get angry.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Trouble is one of those "favoured" clubs are currently sitting with 2 points docked for an offence that imo is worth a slap on the wrist at worst.
We have gotten away lightly numerous times in the past, what about playing ineligible players in the CC? And it's Cas that got dispensation, not Leeds. Take the tin foil hat off.
Taylor's ban seems harsh from what I remember of the game, but I haven't gone back to watch the incidents again. The fact the club have accepted the ban speaks volumes however.'"
Wigan have appealed and in my opinion will have the points re instated
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| Taylors ban, for these alleged offences are diabolical, but if AP hasn’t the spirit or belief to fight this cause we are in trouble. We have no voice.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Taylors ban, for these alleged offences are diabolical, but if AP hasn’t the spirit or belief to fight this cause we are in trouble. We have no voice.'"
So you would appeal, even if there was no chance of winning?
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| Quote: ccs "So you would appeal, even if there was no chance of winning?'"
Most definitely, this is why it’s called an appeal.
Illegitimi non carborundum
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Most definitely, this is why it’s called an appeal.'"
So you're prepared to risk losing Taylor for 1 or 2 more matches, knowing that that is the likely outcome. Most odd.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Taylors ban, for these alleged offences are diabolical, but if AP hasn’t the spirit or belief to fight this cause we are in trouble. We have no voice.'"
I think Pearson has given up.
A stupid decision to appeal Jake Connors 1 match ban for clearly swearing at the referee and then not to appeal Taylors ban which certainly wouldnt have got him off but probably would have seen a three game ban reduced to two.
Some very poor decisions by the club not to freshen the squad for this season will really hurt us this season both in results and lower than expected attendances.
Pearsons outburst telling us he will get rid of non performing players and bring some quality into the squad for this season was also an embarrassment for him as none left and the quality additions he said became four reserve players.
Poor crowd for the first home match on Thursday despite the ticket offer for passholders and a decent crowd from Cas will remind Pearson that fans dont forget and you cant keep giving injuries as an excuse.
The club are going to have to find a way of reducing the current salary cap and bring in at least a super league quality front row.
I still think the whole coaching set up at the moment is too cosy and needs to be shaken up.
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| Quote: ccs "So you're prepared to risk losing Taylor for 1 or 2 more matches, knowing that that is the likely outcome. Most odd.'"
What’s even more odd is the way this committee has screwed us over, should we lie like a dog waiting for another kicking. Stand up AP and shout it from the rooftops, we appeal these decisions they are false, for whatever reason, they are wrong.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "What’s even more odd is the way this committee has screwed us over, should we lie like a dog waiting for another kicking. Stand up AP and shout it from the rooftops, we appeal these decisions they are false, for whatever reason, they are wrong.'"
But bonny has just said that AP was wrong to appeal the Connor ban, even though the club thought they had a very strong case.
And bonny knows everything about everything, as he keep telling us, over and over again.
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| Quote: bonaire "I think Pearson has given up.
A stupid decision to appeal Jake Connors 1 match ban for clearly swearing at the referee and then not to appeal Taylors ban which certainly wouldnt have got him off but probably would have seen a three game ban reduced to two.
Some very poor decisions by the club not to freshen the squad for this season will really hurt us this season both in results and lower than expected attendances.
Pearsons outburst telling us he will get rid of non performing players and bring some quality into the squad for this season was also an embarrassment for him as none left and the quality additions he said became four reserve players.
Poor crowd for the first home match on Thursday despite the ticket offer for passholders and a decent crowd from Cas will remind Pearson that fans dont forget and you cant keep giving injuries as an excuse.
The club are going to have to find a way of reducing the current salary cap and bring in at least a super league quality front row.
I still think the whole coaching set up at the moment is too cosy and needs to be shaken up.'"
Agree on Jakes appeal, madness. Taylor’s on the other hand was well worth persuing.
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