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| Quote: bonaire "Agree with you but he needs to play selected games so he doesn't suffer like Ben Crooks did under Radford'"
He's not under Radford any more thankfully so he should start killing it any time soon.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Logan, May no be quite ready, he offers far more than Yeaman, saw that against leeds last year.
What's happened to Cunningham, can't have Houghton doing 80, he gets tired with all the work he does and makes mistakes like last night.'"
I agree, put him in the team. The likes of Horne, Cooke and (coincidently!) Yeaman weren't necessarily ready for the first team when they were thrown in at the deep end back in the day. I'd rather see promising youngsters making mistakes than the same old tired faces plodding along.
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| Quote: DiggerHFC "Took a friend to the game last night over from spain, was in the bulls squad in the 90's knows his rugby, hadn't been to a live game in 15 years. He couldn't believe how one dimensional the game had become, where is the flair, where is the skill, think he left quite depressed about what RL has turned into.'"
He wasn't right impressed was he? Doubt we'll get him to another game when he's next over.
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| Quote: *1865* "We went with a plan, shed loads of forwards, soak everything up and nick it late on. Nearly worked as well.
People moaning about Wigan bombing chances, well i'd prefer to say we forced the errors tbh. Also, we had a try disallowed too, which was flat at worst.
Fact of the matter is that if Houghton hadn't been a complete idiot going on the blind side we'd have got at least a draw.
Great to see the defensive steel back.'"
the plan of a fool if that was the case!
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| Quote: Superbowl Scott "Sorry I didn't mean just based on last nights performances from the players I named I meant they aren't good enough to be 3 of our starting 4 props for the season.'"
Personally I think Watts can be if we'd just play the right sort of game to suit him. He has a good offloading game, but this will never be exploited with one-man rugby.
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| Quote: mk_fc "And once it hits Yeaman it will just stop dead anyway.....
Yeaman certainly is finished it now. he's good defensively, but offers nothing in offence. But who do you replace him with?
Back line sis soooo slooooow its unbelievable. Do we start putting in the faster youngsters?
Sneyd needs to attack the line more and stop being a shoveller ... hope he's not playing to a game plan because if he is its ruining his game. He show glimpses of what he an do second half last night.
OFC missing the touch kick was just shocking ..
And finally - that's two games where a prop has ended up with the ball at the end when we could have been in a winning position... WTF... I really hope we can lean from this - Radford needs to show this bit on loop until it sinks in that it was match losing play... not really Wattsy's fault - he shouldn't even of had it...'"
I didn't see the Wigan game, but in general I would extend the same defence to Sneyd as I did to Miller; it's much harder for a half to take the line on effectively with such a dearth of runners. With limited options they're only going to get cleaned out because the play is so easy to read. If was in their shoes I wouldn't be queuing up to get thumped, either.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I didn't see the Wigan game, but in general I would extend the same defence to Sneyd as I did to Miller; it's much harder for a half to take the line on effectively with such a dearth of runners. With limited options they're only going to get cleaned out because the play is so easy to read. If was in their shoes I wouldn't be queuing up to get thumped, either.'"
Miller seems to be playing quite well at Wakey. Ellis is playing well at Hudds. Both scoring tries.
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| Quote: Keiththered "Miller seems to be playing quite well at Wakey. Ellis is playing well at Hudds. Both scoring tries.'"
Both look inconsistent to be like they were at Hull, I wouldn't personally take either on them over our current halfs, I still think Sneyd will turn out to be a better player than both on them.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I didn't see the Wigan game, but in general I would extend the same defence to Sneyd as I did to Miller; it's much harder for a half to take the line on effectively with such a dearth of runners. With limited options they're only going to get cleaned out because the play is so easy to read. If was in their shoes I wouldn't be queuing up to get thumped, either.'"
Pryce has been doing it pretty regularly although physically he's a different kettle of fish to Sneyd. I've been disappointed with the consistency of Sneyd's kicking game. Some good kicks interspersed with some shockers. Needs to improve there most of all in my opinion - that was one of the main reasons he was brought in.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Pryce has been doing it pretty regularly although physically he's a different kettle of fish to Sneyd. I've been disappointed with the consistency of Sneyd's kicking game. Some good kicks interspersed with some shockers. Needs to improve there most of all in my opinion - that was one of the main reasons he was brought in.'"
There will always be exceptions, I was just talking as a general rule I will personally make an allowance for a half not taking the line on when supporting runners are in short supply, and especially when we also have a pathetically slow ptb speed meaning they don't get much chance to run at scrambling defences, either. As you say, Pryce is also quite different, he can mix it with the bigger guys much more.
Agree about the kicking (although I didn't go Friday). To say that was one of the strengths we signed him for it's been very mixed. Our ptb speed again hasn't helped at times, though.
Hopefully it will change, but it's noticeable that some of the same problems/complaints have started to sneak in about Sneyd as were levelled about multiple previous halfbacks in recent years. It's getting tiresome how we keep seeing new players come in to replace those who aren't good enough (not just at halfback), only to see them develop many/all of the same problems that they didn't have before. It cannot be bad luck or coincidence to see it keep happening.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Pryce has been doing it pretty regularly although physically he's a different kettle of fish to Sneyd. I've been disappointed with the consistency of Sneyd's kicking game. Some good kicks interspersed with some shockers. Needs to improve there most of all in my opinion - that was one of the main reasons he was brought in.'"
Sneyds tactical kicking wasn't great at cas last year, that was left to Ellis a lot, it was his off the cuff play, chip throughs, off the cuff kicks to the corner on 2nd tackle etc that caught the eye. If you try that sort of play without backs who read it it can look bloody clueless. Maybe it's just a case of the backs reading his play book. Sneyd isn't an organiser who'll lead you round the park, pryce needs to do that which he can do but it's not his ideal game.
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| Quote: barham red "Sneyds tactical kicking wasn't great at cas last year, that was left to Ellis a lot, it was his off the cuff play, chip throughs, off the cuff kicks to the corner on 2nd tackle etc that caught the eye. If you try that sort of play without backs who read it it can look bloody clueless. Maybe it's just a case of the backs reading his play book. Sneyd isn't an organiser who'll lead you round the park, pryce needs to do that which he can do but it's not his ideal game.'"
An acting half who can dominate the ruck and organise rather than one that just runs his blood to water would fit in better with the current halves and would have helped Miller last year as well.
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| Long kicking game is miles easier when the pack have the upper hand. Being able to kick off the front foot from around half way with a retreating defence is a lot different to getting it from a slow ptb whilst sat in the pocket on your own 30. On Friday night in particular it would appear that he was having to kick from deep in our half too often.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Long kicking game is miles easier when the pack have the upper hand. Being able to kick off the front foot from around half way with a retreating defence is a lot different to getting it from a slow ptb whilst sat in the pocket on your own 30. On Friday night in particular it would appear that he was having to kick from deep in our half too often.'"
Very true. It's been some fairly aimless kicks near the line that have been most disappointing. Lack of comms with his backs hasn't helped although to be fair I'm not sure how alert they are most of the game.
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| Our halves, for once, are not the problem.
None of our 2nd rowers are ball handlers and our backs (in general) are far too slow. On Friday, once we started to throw the ball about we looked dangerous down our right side as Michaels & Lancaster have pace to burn. Really looking forward to see how these two progress over the coming weeks.
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