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| Quote simonhullfc="simonhullfc"The voice of reason, well said Wilf.
People questioning RA appointment obviously have no idea what so ever of his coaching abilities and great FL knowledge.'"
I don't doubt his coaching abilities, or his RL knowledge, I DO question the motivation behind this decision, the way the announcement was handled and wether our board are really pulling out all the stops for the future.
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| Quote PAUL M="PAUL M"I have mixed feelings.
On the negative side I do worry about the length of time he has been at the club and his closeness with the players. We needed a totally fresh approach and some backsides needed kicking and I not sure RA can go that after being no.2 for so long. Also I think a new proven Aussie would have been able to tell the board what he would and would not accept whereas with RA I feel that the club will have complete control over him.
On the positive side he is young, talented and British and its good to see people like that getting a chance. He will now have the chance to implement his own style of rugby league too and his philosophy will hopefully be a more attack minded one. He seems like a really great guy and certainly understand the fans and the club too.
Only time will tell if its a good decision but I feel the negatives outweigh the positives just now although I will be delighted if he can prove to be a success.'"
Sums up my feelings as well.
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"Well we all bemoan the fact that we do not appoint enough young British coaches and here we are running him down before he has had a chance.
For me , there is more to this than that, some soundings must have been taken with the senior players and their views obtained. I think it has been planned for a while myself. Lets face it, for me, it is better than Harrison or Cullen or even Murray. With Richard what you see is what you get and he has studied under a great motivator who could not man manage and a great man manager who could not, apparently motivate. That experience should stand him in good stead! It's a positive for the British game on the franchise front too!
Lets get behind Richard and give him our support!!
As for an assistant the last time he was in charge and did so well Lasty was the power behind the throne as far as motivation is concerned I would go for him I think although it is a risky one!! The kid is FC through and through though!
The fact is he is now our coach and we should give him at least till the end of this year and a pre season to sort out some of the mess. I think as a club it shows great belief in the British game, although some will no doubt see it as a Cheap and cheerful fix and of course it is both!!!
Lets get behind him on Sunday!!'"
I agree with what you've said except for that in bold. That imo is an insult to RA why can't the appointment be based on his coaching credentials.
Just because he has an english accent and has been promoted from within he's being written off.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."He should be give a chance, he is restrcted by sharps signings, too many average players signed on my him, on contracts for this season and next.
Think it will take a couple of seasons to turn Hull back into a force.'"
Good to see the excuses coming out early.
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"For me , there is more to this than that, some soundings must have been taken with the senior players and their views obtained.'"
Wonder if they did the same before sacking Sharp.
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| Quote tony 7="tony 7"Just because he has an english accent and has been promoted from within he's being written off.'"
Two points...
1. Nobody is writing him off. Questions are being raised as to whether he is the best choice.
2. I, and many others questioning Agar's appointment, were solidly behind Kear when he was promoted from within.
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| As a Saints fan I can see the logic behind Agars job.
When he took over briefly after Kiers departure he did a decent job, and against Saints on Sunday he managed to get a gritty performance from the guys. Many teams would merely have folded.
Your current situation is horrendous. You should be hovering around the top of the table, but like Wire are vastly under performing.
Injuries do play a part, but Hulls lack of offensive creativity has been noted, this isnt for lack of talent, but instead lack of systems to correctly exploit that talent.
The most glaring sign is your failure to develop young players to their full potential.
Richard Horne is a classic case of a player who just hasnt fulfilled his rich early promise.
Graham Horne was also a hot junior prospect who just hasnt gone anywhere
Yeaman is another who has just stagnated.
Tommy Lee was hailed as a great prospect, but has merely become a big pudding.
This to me is an indication of Peter Sharps weakness in coaching.
The best coaches dont necessarily win things, but they do improve players.
I dont therefore see how Agar can do a worse job.
He might not be a big name now, however he has the chance to become a big name. Remember everyone has to start somewhere.
With no relegation its not exactly a big gamble.
The 2 and half year contract will enable the club to make a fair assessment of whether the team and players have been taken forward.
For examples of a coach who have developed players, look at how Brian Mcdermott has brought on players like Tony Clubb, Louis McCarthy Scarsbrook and Michael Worrincy at Harlequins.
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| I'm disappointed with the appointment.
I'm not bothered how old he is or where he comes from, so I don't see what is so great about having a "young British coach".
Agar will get my support and I desparately hope he proves me and other doubtors wrong, but I just feel this is an appointment that is not one a top club should be making.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Wonder if they did the same before sacking Sharp.'" No Doubt about it for me!
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| Gone for the cheap option imo.
My main concern is will he be able to bring some top players to Hull ?
You hear all the time from players they went to a certain club because who the coach is.
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| Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"As a Saints fan I can see the logic behind Agars job.
When he took over briefly after Kiers departure he did a decent job, and against Saints on Sunday he managed to get a gritty performance from the guys. Many teams would merely have folded.
Your current situation is horrendous. You should be hovering around the top of the table, but like Wire are vastly under performing.
Injuries do play a part, but Hulls lack of offensive creativity has been noted, this isnt for lack of talent, but instead lack of systems to correctly exploit that talent.
The most glaring sign is your failure to develop young players to their full potential.
Richard Horne is a classic case of a player who just hasnt fulfilled his rich early promise.
Graham Hall was also a hot junior prospect who just hasnt gone anywhere
Yeaman is another who has just stagnated.
Tommy Lee was hailed as a great prospect, but has merely become a big pudding.
This to me is an indication of Peter Sharps weakness in coaching.
The best coaches dont necessarily win things, but they do improve players.
I dont therefore see how Agar can do a worse job.
He might not be a big name now, however he has the chance to become a big name. Remember everyone has to start somewhere.
With no relegation its not exactly a big gamble.
The 2 and half year contract will enable the club to make a fair assessment of whether the team and players have been taken forward.
For examples of a coach who have developed players, look at how Brian Mcdermott has brought on players like Tony Clubb, Louis McCarthy Scarsbrook and Michael Worrincy at Harlequins.'"
I would find it hard to disagree with any of that. PS did a good job in handling the youngsters integration into the first team but they have not progressed in the way they should have done.
I am hoping RA is strong enough to be his own man and make tough decisions about player retention and they way in which we play.
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| Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"As a Saints fan I can see the logic behind Agars job.
When he took over briefly after Kiers departure he did a decent job, and against Saints on Sunday he managed to get a gritty performance from the guys. Many teams would merely have folded.
Your current situation is horrendous. You should be hovering around the top of the table, but like Wire are vastly under performing.
Injuries do play a part, but Hulls lack of offensive creativity has been noted, this isnt for lack of talent, but instead lack of systems to correctly exploit that talent.
The most glaring sign is your failure to develop young players to their full potential.
Richard Horne is a classic case of a player who just hasnt fulfilled his rich early promise.
Graham Hall was also a hot junior prospect who just hasnt gone anywhere
Yeaman is another who has just stagnated.
Tommy Lee was hailed as a great prospect, but has merely become a big pudding.
This to me is an indication of Peter Sharps weakness in coaching.
The best coaches dont necessarily win things, but they do improve players.
I dont therefore see how Agar can do a worse job.
He might not be a big name now, however he has the chance to become a big name. Remember everyone has to start somewhere.
With no relegation its not exactly a big gamble.
The 2 and half year contract will enable the club to make a fair assessment of whether the team and players have been taken forward.
For examples of a coach who have developed players, look at how Brian Mcdermott has brought on players like Tony Clubb, Louis McCarthy Scarsbrook and Michael Worrincy at Harlequins.'"
Agar was attacking coach under Kear, that is when the rot started.
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