I was laughing [iat[/i him, Basher. He came out with all the old chestnuts, Allam's money bought us, Pearson's still 'working' for him, it's all a plot to impoverise us, preferably with relegation, so we have to vacate the KC leaving Allam's way clear. I know, I know, Hull FC aren't the only obstacle blocking his grasping hands, but my taxi driver assured me Allam views us as the major sticking point. So must be right, then.



I trust AP, because this stuff is the realm of fantasy - and I've made no secret of my distrust and loathing of Hull City Council's letting agent and his motives - but this was a step too far even for my conspiracy-mad mind.

"Why do you think," beamed Mr Cabbie, "that you are getting worse and worse despite all the promises and investment? Where are you in tthe league? Are you confident about next season?"

Well, what could I say?

I believe AP is doing what he thinks is best for his investment, but I simply cannot follow his reasoning either. It is a case of trusting in him, rather than understanding him for me, at present.

Having read through this thread I feel priveleged in some way to be so distant (physically) from the club.

I'm not a fan of Radford's but weighing up all the pros and cons: no matter what his on-paper credentials as a coach, notwithstanding his commitment as a "local lad". I seriously doubt he has the intellect to be a successful head coach of a Superleague club. His passion cannot be denied but I don't believe he can transfer that passion into a credible long-term strategy to improve the performance of the squad on anything even approaching a consistent basis.

Thankfully I don't have to debate whether I'll renew my season pass, I bought my last one ten years ago but he has given me absolutely no incentive to drive up to Hull and even watch a game. In fact, I cancelled my Sky Sports subscription last month because I couldn't even watch us play any more.

I was working today and I would usually try to take a break and get live commentary, or at least check on live scores. Today I waited until I got home to check the result.

Someone once told me that the opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. Unfortunately I have now got to the point where I am pretty ambivalent about our results or even performances.

Thank you Messrs. Radford & Pearson, you have managed to do what no other combination of administrators or coaches have ever managed before.

Sorry my bad it was, a try is a try regardless how its scored

Not denying it. As I said in my first post I take nothing away from hull, they did what had to be done to get a win. My point was you could (and potentially should) of won by a lot more, given our form was more akin to our hkr away, Catalans away, magic weekend etc form as opposed to being any good.

The knock on affect being, despite beating us, you probably didn't play that much better than you did yesterday (I haven't seen both performances to compare) difference being the opposition weren't in capitulate mode...

you've put in to words how I feel much better than I did myself, even attending the home games has become a chore.

Of course how Saints play has nothing to do with the opposition. If Saints play well they win, if for any reason they don't they lose and an inferior team can beat them. No other team beats them on their own merit or get in their faces to force errors and make them play badly. Your arrogance is on a par with that normally only seen on this forum by those FC fans who hold the view that their team is always under performing. They are a big team as well you know. Why is it that your team never turn up at Craven Park. Look at the last six visits, your form always seems to desert you of course that's why we have been allowed to win isn't it!?

I am sat here at my desk with laptop in hand trying not to be a keyboard warrior but,

12 Months ago we were 5 sleeps from Wembley. Okay the performance was very poor against a very poor Wigan side, but can you all remember how we all felt about going to Wembley. The dream was alive and we were 80 minutes from realising a dream. The tills at the club were ringing, we were all on a high. (I say all, but I am sure there were one or two who still found time to moan).

Now 12 months on, I am so incredibly jealous of a small village club who are performing beyond their wildest dreams and are heading down to London for the big day. A team full of ex Hull players playing above anything they did for us. While we languish in 12th position by virtue of a team who had only about 6 players a month before the season started and another who have had 6 points docked. People say we are making progress, I'd hate to see us struggling.

That is the reality of season 2014. A season that has been a complete disaster from start to finish. Sadly I will be around next year as I can't let go fully, but I am like Codhead I am physically distant from the club. My heart though demands a fix of the club, a club that has given me so much, but my fixes are few and far between now and I hold Radford and Mr Pearson responsible.

Jesus! Is there something on this forum that makes people completely miss the point you're trying to make for the sake of an argument?

I've not suggested once hull or hull kr or anyone else were anything but deserving of their wins against us. I've never once suggested that it was saints own shortcomings as the sole reason people beat us. You and hull put yourselves in a position to beat us and did so. ALL I'm suggesting is that Saints performance was more akin to the games like magic weekend, hkr away, Catalans away (no suggestion as to the fact it wasn't the opposition that caused said performance) - the difference being the fact that hull were incapable of capitalising in the same way MIGHT explain that in fact hulls performances might be similar between last week and this week, despite very different results. Is that so crazy?

This. There is clearly something massively wrong within the club, and no one seems to know what to do about it.

I feel pretty much the same way except last year I was already miserable about our poor performances and inconsistency. After the Wembley shambles I found myself wondering whether to bother this year or not. So I'd say I'm right where I was last year but I just got here quicker.

The thing that really angers me is that a part of me has already started to feel optimistic about next year. Idiot. At least this time next season we can't be any lower than 12th.

I get your point, and it is possible, TBH. The big positives in our performance against you were much improved attitude and application, but the craft was still very much missing. If that was the problem yesterday then you may be right, but from the amount of points we conceded and the comments from those that saw the game, it sounds like our attitude was all wrong again, which is a different issue. We might not have been great in beating you, but you really need to have seen us more this season to realise that that was (incredibly) one of our better performances.

On the positive side, Pearson might be able to hold next year's in his back garden.