Disagree completely. Yes the players have to have the desire but the coach is the main man.

Look at Wire, got the right man in and now they are flying.

Look at Hudds, got the right man in and now they are flying.

Look at Wigan etc etc.

to do what, lose away at Warrington/Wigan, what makes you so certain, unless you are suggesting that players who didn't seem interested/capable in attack on Friday night are suddenly going to start pulling their weight, in which case, that's hardly a sign of professionalism within the squad, is it?

And, if that is the case, it indicates even more strongly that RA isn't the man for the job, as the players clearly don't resepct him.

so which is it, the coach, the players, both?

Ah so once teams get to the playoffs they may as well sack the coach as he plays no part in it from there. You really have excelled yourself with that comment Expro.

Ah, that's alright then Mr Cornetto. We might finish 8th and given that Catalan look likely to be 5th, we'll get knocked out at the first hurdle in France. It's worth waiting a full season for that outcome isn't it? Utter rubbish.

Are you saying he is our Cab Man?

Why should it be any different this weekend to the last four years of CC & play-off games?

Let's hope the cup run is exactly the same as the one three years ago with one added bonus.

I hope we do but It's gonna cost me nearly 2 grand for early flights home from my holiday if we do

That's what I thought when I booked

Convenient that knockout rugby is not down to the coach, when our knockout record during Agar's tenure is especially abysmal.

Its common knowledge that we are unable to perform against the better sides during our current coachs tenure, however I wondered what his record is against the less successful sides and based on the period 25th May 2008 to the present excluding cup games (which isn't pretty reading in itself), we have the following overall win ratios against SL sides;

Bradford 63%
Castleford 63%
Catalans 50%
Crusaders 75%
Harlequins 83%
Huddersfield 29%
Hull KR 40%
Leeds 0%
Salford 83%
St Helens 36%
Wakefield 42%
Warrington 17%
Wigan 17%
(Based on both home and away results)

So out of 13 opposition clubs we have a 50% or better win ratio against just 6 clubs, which I guess tells us what we already know; that we are a lower order club that will occasionally make the playoffs. What is surprising, is that we have such a low win ratio against those giants of superleague - Huddersfield (29%), and that with a 42% win ratio against Wakefield, it was probably a poor decision to release John Kear , although the problem is probably more one of not replacing him with competant coach's subsequently.

I've never entered into the coach bashing on here although I've been known to be quite vocal at games and elsewhere, but I've had enough. I will not be renewing our passes for next season and will pick and choose which games we go to, although nowadays it's usually just me going anyway.

I reckon Wigan will be our coaches 100th game in charge for this spell (I know that there were 4 games previously as caretaker, but I haven't counted them - 3 wins out of 4 ), if we lose that, then his win ratio will fall below 40%, which is way less than is acceptable. FWIW I don't go with the idea that we are a big club, we have the potential yes, but big clubs build a reputation from onfield success, we haven't been able to do that, and nothing indicates to me that we will do so in the near future.