Another one who was not there then

Factually correct actually. The thread opened by rejoicing in us showing effort and commitment and is 10 pages long. The fact that people have taken it off track doesn't change either of those. It will, however, be factually incorrect when it clicks over onto 11 pages

I now a wins a win and a loss is a loss, but after our poor start we seem to have found a lot more passion, commitment and desire and we need to keep it going now! What will be interesting to me is as the season progresses how many other teams will get beat by 2 points against wigan!

It is a very unfrotunate circumstance to find ourselves in, being grateful that the paid employees turned up and did their job to th best of their collective abilities for once.

I can totally understand people being proud of the effort, what shouldn't be as evident is the amount of surprise being shown that the effort was forthcoming.

By the sounds of it nobody can question the effort from the players but it also sounded like we bottled it when J.Tomkins got sent off.

Pride and passion should be the norm from a group of individuals who earn more than £70 grand a year each on average

I didn't go yesterday (although I almost gave up my self imposed away match ban because I didn't have much else to do ) , and it sounded as though we should have won. The focus today should be on why we lost and what we need to put right next time rather than people being happy to be gallant losers

It seems there is a fairly clear divide of reaction to yesterday's game between those who went and witnessed the performance and those who didn't.

The support at the game was superb and I'm not surprised that those who went, on the whole, have reacted by backing the team's performance in the aftermath. I left the ground absolutely gutted that Tickle's kick shaved that post the wrong side - we deserved something from the game. It went a bit wrong in the last 10 with knock ons and 4 consecutive penalties against - some for infringements that had gone unpenalised for 70 mins and one when we were in possession at the ptb. But the performance deserved backing from the fans and it sure got that.

To those that didn't make it I'm sorry you missed a good, spirited performance which indicated that hopefully more wins are in the pipeline - should that be something that is of interest. The side will be better balanced with Phelps in hopefully we can kick on now and move up the table.

I believe the 2 was the right option - I'm not entirely sure Wigan were as stretched on the rack as some think - that's opinion obviously. It took us 8 points clear and most fans there were calling for it I think. Good point about Moa who was missed - as was Ogre after he couldn't return.

What I'd like to know is if Tickle had kicked that goal would as many people still be ranting on about how we still lost and it's not good enough etc etc. Wish I could have made it, but by all accounts we really pushed the champions and challenged the top side in the comp, something many of us didn't think Hull had it in them.

Not sure we bottled it, but if anything we seemed like we were trying too hard to win it. Washy's knock on could have happened to anyone and Lauaki's offload to no one was stupid, but it was good to see a keenness from the players. At last! It just needs a bit of calming down and sensible play. You can't score off every play.

The sliding defence on the right is a big problem and this needs addressing as a matter or urgency/

On another issue, does anyone know what the penalty for the tackle on Sam Tomkins (by Briscoe, I think), down the left hand side late on, was for. Surely if the ball has bounced you can't be done for a tackle in the air just because the defender jumps to take the ball? If so, tactics for Friday must be take the ball up and as the defence close in, leap in the air. Penalty every time

Isn't part of the problem the fact we play "percentage football" so when we are creative it's almost a shock?

I hope Agar doesn't coach Phelp's undoubted attacking ability out of him.

to be fair mate my son has ashtma,it is something that can come on from nowhere a lot of the time in my sons case its through a cold,that seems to bring an attack on but like i say it can come on for no reason at all.

Your son isn't a professional sportsman with a dedicated team doctor and physio, IF there are lessons to be learnt then we need to learn them.

Not doubting it at all Andrea I'm sure the attack was pretty random. Glad it was dealt with in the right way by taking him out of the line up.