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Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?: |
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| Quote: ccs ".... and another match when he was never tackled.'"
Quote: ccs "TBH i don't see what your getting at??
Holdsworth does do tackling when needed throughout the game. An isn't it right that the SO/SH shouldn't really get tackled. That shows a good SO/SH. (Unless taking the line on, where i agree Holdsworth rarely does but we have Miller for that and DJ for kicking)'" You've answered your own question. He's very good defensively and can tackle as hard has anyone on the pitch, but he never runs with the ball.
Not getting tackled in the last two games is not an indication of how elusive he is.
It shows that he never attempts to get past a defender, unlike the other 16 playing.
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| Quote: Rock God X "I don't 'support' refs, I simply accept that they do a very difficult job, and that most fans' views of a referee's performance are coloured by the team they support. You are a particularly pertinent example of this. You and my dad, who is exactly the same.'"
Lots of people do difficult jobs. The vast majority of them to a better standard than SL officials. Of course fans' view of a refs performance is coloured by their allegiance but there are some errors that would stand out anyway. I'm just as critical of performances when watching as a neutral. Maybe me and your dad simply have higher expectations, or are less inclined to appear 'right on' by not criticising the ref.
Quote: Rock God X "Of course not, silly. But there were plenty of occasions where we could/should have been penalised but weren't. The same for them. If you took your black and white specs off and watched again, you'd see that this was the case.'"
He did miss stuff for both sides, but made significantly more errors that benefitted Catalan. Some of that will be because we spent more time defending but some were just rank poor decisions. IMO it was a contributory factor in our lack of field position all night and in particular in the second half. However, if you take a look back at my posts during the game I make many more negative comments about our players than about Thaler. You - like a fair few others - fall into the trap of thinking that criticism of the ref must mean that the ref is being blamed for the performance, when in fact it's perfectly possible for officials and players to all be crap at the same time.
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| Quote: Kosh "Lots of people do difficult jobs. The vast majority of them to a better standard than SL officials. Of course fans' view of a refs performance is coloured by their allegiance but there are some errors that would stand out anyway. I'm just as critical of performances when watching as a neutral. '"
Fans of every sport criticise the officials. It's as futile when Premier League supporters do it as is it when you do. People are human. They make mistakes. Or even interpret things differently. How many times do you see the Sky pundits split about whether a decision was correct or not? Or even groups of fans, neutral and partisan alike? The fact is, that all the time we employ human beings to referee games, there will be differences of opinion about whether a decision is correct, just as there will be outright mistakes.
Quote: Kosh "Maybe me and your dad simply have higher expectations, or are less inclined to appear 'right on' by not criticising the ref. '"
What an odd idea. I'm not sure why it could be considered 'right on' not to spend significant portions of just about every game bleating about officials. Maybe you and my dad are just obstreperous old buggers with nowt better to do?
Quote: Kosh "He did miss stuff for both sides, but made significantly more errors that benefitted Catalan. '"
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| Quote: Kosh "Ah. And there we have the fundamental disconnect that means we're never going to agree on this topic.
Not saying there aren't moments when I wonder how the hell they've reached a particular decision, but I've yet to hear a single convincing argument to the end that SL officials are any worse than officials in any other sport.
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| Quote: Rock God X "Not saying there aren't moments when I wonder how the hell they've reached a particular decision, but I've yet to hear a single convincing argument to the end that SL officials are any worse than officials in any other sport.'"
The only other pro sport I watch regularly nowadays is Cricket, which is impossible to compare. Although I'm not that impressed with Umpires either. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) But it doesn't really matter. I don't care how good the officials are in sports that I don't watch.
I came to RL in the 80's from watching Soccer and Union mainly. The poor quality of the officiating hit me right away.
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| Quote: Kosh "The only other pro sport I watch regularly nowadays is Cricket, which is impossible to compare. Although I'm not that impressed with Umpires either.
Every week in football, there'll be at least two - usually more - managers complaining about how the officials have wronged their team. RU is even worse in that the rules are so needlessly complicated that literally any interpretation could be correct or incorrect. The point is though, that if standards of refereeing are just as 'poor' in other sports, maybe that's just the nature of the beast, and all sports fans have to accept that human beings make errors.
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| Quote: Rock God X "I can't think of too many instances where an official is 'incompetent' per se.'"
Are you watching Wire vs Leeds? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: Kosh "Are you watching Wire vs Leeds?
Shocking decision. If you don't see red for blind-siding an opposition player with a punch right in front of the referee, what exactly do you have to do to get sent off?
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| Quote: Rock God X "Shocking decision. If you don't see red for blind-siding an opposition player with a punch right in front of the referee, what exactly do you have to do to get sent off?'"
Child is an example of someone promoted way beyond his ability. Together with Roby he simply isn't SL standard. Has no idea how to control a game.
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| Quote: Kosh "Child is an example of someone promoted way beyond his ability. Together with Roby he simply isn't SL standard. Has no idea how to control a game.'"
He's bottled that, pure and simple. Can't say he didn't see it, and there's absolutely no excuse for Briers to still be on the pitch.
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| Thing for me regarding the Catalan Match.. Gentle said in the paper that he was taking things back to basics regarding our defense and approach to the attacking side.
Our defense never let a try in despite many drop outs and plays within our 20.
Many say that Catalan never threw much at us, but me personally i feel our defense shut anything down early before they could.
Are the players not learning the set plays which Gentle trying to teach??
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