BTW FC Baldy, I'm sorry that I've nicked your Avatar but it just sums up my sheer anger and frustration and I couldn't find the inclination or ability to edit one of my own.

The more avatars like this one that "appear" the better. It would pretty much sum up visibly, the majority of fan's frustration.

It looks better to me with every post !!!

You may well have started something here Baldy !!!

What are chances of him going not very good I would say who could replace him ?

For me, its a fairly simple equation: Is our coach the man to guide us to the level of success which we should be attaining? and the answer is a resounding NO.

I laid out my reasons for Richard Agar being the wrong choice of coach two weeks ago (on the previous "Agar out now" thread) but a basic summary is as follows. We play in the best stadium in SL, currently have the second highest average attendance despite more than two years of watching dross, we have, I believe, one of the two highest income & merchendising streams within the British game and we were one of three clubs to be awarded a grade A license in 2008 (primarily for the reasons listed above). It must be obvious to all but the most blinkered that these advantages are clearly not being transferred into an eqivilant level of success where it matters most, on the pitch with first team wins.

A club of our size with the level of support and attendent income that support will generate could and should be challenging for honours year on year on year (as opposed to the odd decent cup run every 3/4 years). The other two clubs currently holding grade A licenses (Leeds & Warrington) are also the clubs currently in possession of silverware. Wire lifted the CC despite having a coach who inherited a dysfunctional Underperforming squad of players turning them into trophy winners within four months of arrival. Not for him the lame excuse of "its not my team".

We should be one of the teams that the rest fear, one of the teams that everyone else looks at before a game has been played and says "they are the ones to beat if you want to be champions".
Surely, that cannot be anyone out there who honestly believes Richard Agar is the man to take us to the uppermost reaches of the game.

We have improved on the performances of 2008/09 due to changes in playing personnel, but as last night proved, some glaring deficiences still remain. It would be harsh to sack a man when we have 5 wins from 8, but long term he is not the answer. We will be no higher than mid-table with Agar in charge with erratic performance levels remaining as the norm, no matter who the players are.
In the short term (ie the remainder of this season), I'm afraid we've made our bed and we're going to have to lie in it. A top class replacement is unlikely to be available until after the end of the current campaign and our options for the coming months are severely limited. I'm not convinced replacing Agar with Moore will alter a great deal. The issues which have raised their head once more this weekend where there for all to see 12 months ago and should have been faced up to and addressed at that time (as in the case of Warrington who took decisive action about this time last year and appear to be reaping some rewards as we speak).

Until the board take a long hard look at our performances on the field since October 2006 and take appropiate steps to put this club where it should be, then we are destined to have this discussion over and over again. And the first step in that direction is the search for a top class coach who will harness all of the advantages listed above and turn them into a highly successful team. It will not happen overnight as the first team squad still requires a further injection of quality, particularly in the backs, but until we grasp the nettle and address the issue of the head coach, we will continue to go round in an endless underachieving circle.
This is not a knee-jerk reaction to last nights appalling performance, I was of the opinion that Agar would be the wrong choice when leaving the Stoop 24 hours before Peter Sharp was fired. Indeed, I posted a thread as long ago as May 2007 in which I stated that we had lost a glorious opportunity to establish ourselves as the number one side in the British game. A situation which we have continued to compound by a series of bad choices/judgement in the boardroom, in player recruitment and most of all by the appointment of Richard Agar as head coach in May 2008 which condemmed us to another wasted two years.

A grade A club should be producing a grade A team, but that situation will remain out of our reach for as long as we persist with a grade B coach.

agreed, he is a clueless fukwit as a head coach !! plain for everyone to see.
non of this crap about players drop balls and players miss tackles, a leaders main job is first and foremost to motivate his troops and get them all singing off the same hymn sheet, be it military, factory, or footie
our head coach is about as rivetting and enthusiastic as watching paint dry ... in doubt?? listen to his after match speach , frikkin rivetting he is must be a mate of John majors

everyone needs to spen and half hour perios slamming the contact us page with e mails, that will make them listen!!!
great team, great players great fans , awesome club
toss coach

Bit personal,surely not up to the job of head coach would of been sufficient enough??

2 games for me. must win one and both perfomances need to be 100% better than recent ones.

If not put Moore in charge until a top replacemnet can be found.

It would cost Hull money to sack Agar, but they will lost a whole lot more in Season pass sales if we carry on like this, the Hull fans patiance has been excellent the last 2 years, but it wont last much longer.

Totally agree !! As many people as possible should take a little time out to use the "tell us" facility.

This cannot carry on !!

I agree with you there. I'm obviously not his biggest fan, as witnessed by my previous post, but on the couple of occasions I've spoken to him I have found him to be a decent honourable guy. Its his inability to coach at the upper level of SL that is my gripe (only my opinion obviously).
I don't think it is particularly big or clever to resort to personal insults about a guy whom most posters barely know from Adam.

Whether you express it in a personal way or not, Mr. Agar has now proved that he is not a suitable coach for a top club that wants to compete at the top level.

I am sick to death of hearing about "learning lessons", "cutting out mistakes", "playing less dumb rugby", "increasing intensity" etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah.

The top and bottom of it is that we have just lost to last years worst two teams and we have actually made them look good in the process. Were these two games just another two "blips" ??

Our current squad "should be" a top four squad but with Agar in charge we are going to tamely limp into the play-offs with no chance whatsoever of ultimate success.

NO ITS NOT ENOUGH WOLFIE!! NOT BY A LONG WAY!!
listen I wont fall out with you over it ok, you have done wonders for the club and fundraising etc and this rant isnt about you so why have you chirped in as if it is are you his PR man or something??
But the facts are no matter what spin you put on Agar after Salford he is clearly clueless as a coach or a motivator, I for one have defended him over and over during two awful seasons to allow the numptie to have a chance and prove he is up to the job and along with the vast majority of other FC fans can now clearly see he is not up to the job in any way shape or form!!
its as simple as that wolfie so no its not enough not by a long way pal!!
I have also met him a couple of times also and found him to be a nice fella in the few minutes I spoke to him, however I am not his lovechild and I would rather have a nasty SOAB that couldnt give a monkeys about speaking to fans as long as the team I spent hundreds of pounds each season to follow were playing a decent brand of RL which FC are NOT!!
AND given the chance I would tell him to his face too!!
This isnt about your relationship with Agar wolfie not one bit but it is about a grade A foottie team looking like NL1 contenders, like it or lump it mate but thats how many of us feel , I guess you did listen to what everyone was saying after the Salford match !!! !!!
Clueless AGAR OUT

were have i stated this is about me???

chirp in?? i put a point across about you been personal and insulting him that it.

and what relationship is that then?? try and reply without been vulgar or insulting.

think you need to take a few of these and stop getting on your high horse,everytime a conversation pops up about agar my name seems to get dragged into it?

read what i put on an other thread about the team and the coach,im not deffending him i any shape or form,like ive said its not my decission wether he stays or goes it upto the board,whatever they choose to do ill back them as i said hfc are my team and i just want to see them win trophies,ive followed them through good times and bad since 1978,so seeing them under performing and losing hurts me just as much as you and everyone else.i just dont see the point in people insulting,if ive owt to say to him or anyone else ill say it to the face.

thats me done on the subject.