agar thinks defence is de thing that goes around de garden

Got to agree looked good at times when I attack, maily when Manu and Tansey have the ball though. defence is a massive issue at the moment.

You didnt see the 4 tries Briscoe got away v Leeds or the fact that Yeamo was able to receive the ball early and put Briscoe away v Leeds at home?

Is it a coincidence? Thats my challenge.

Our inability to win the collision defensively and hold down is really costing us. Other teams have done it to us for years now and we just dont learn.

I didn't go to Leeds away, no. I did see the home game, however, and I saw, once again, that Washbrook is not, and will never be, a viable option at halfback.

The service received by the wingers when he plays is no different to when he doesn't play, from what I've seen. Out of interest, are there any games you can think of where he's had a positive influence from halfback, in which the opposition haven't already put their cue in the rack by half time?

I'm not putting our last 2 attacking scores entirely down to Washy and appreciate that the opposition may have slacked off slightly in both games but i dont agree with the stick Washy gets on here. He has lost most of his pace from a couple of years ago but i think he's done a really good job for us in the halves the last couple of games. Thats said, he's a 13 and Agar needs to play him there.

I still think Washy has the ability if given the chance to become a great 13 and a future club captain.

Agreed. Most of our defeats have come from poor defensive displays. These in turn have occurred because of a lack of intensity in line speed, not getting enough men in the tackle, and at times a pathetically lacklustre kick chase.

I'm not giving him stick as such, merely pointing out that he's not a halfback and that the Horne/Washbrook pairing has failed so many times it's just not funny.

He'll probably make a decent 13, though I wouldn't say 'great'. On current form, Whiting has to be ahead of him for the loose forward berth if Fitz leaves or retires (or is moved to prop).

On current form Whiting would be ahead of anyone in the 13 including Turner and Horne at 6.

The depressing thing is that you don't have to be a great player to do these things right. You just need to be fit, enthusiastic, and determined. All areas where the coach has a huge impact IMO.

How long have we been saying this for now?

And coached correctly technically?