Yes they advertise as needing to take out Movies to get a free HD box but if you have the full sports package you don't need to take out Movies to get it.

Well worth it.

Sure is Karl. I get it installed on Saturday. I have Sky Sports World at the which is a premium package equivalent to Sky Movies so the upgrade costs me just £30, plus an extra tenner or so a month.

It would be ideal to get Sky Broadband too, but there's no chance of course.

Dont get a kc line installed...just get a mobile contract with unlimited internet and stick ur sim card in a wireless internet dongle.Use ur mobile as a home phone instead.

Depends what you are going to be doing on the internet. If they are going to be downloading a fair bit then a sim card is not the way to go.

Mobile internet is dogturd. I used a dongle for a while and it was bloody useless. Slow, unreliable and expensive. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone - unless I really disliked them.

With all the iPhone etc. flooding the market the 3G broadband service is only going to get worse too!

It wont be handsets that affect as most nnow have wifi
The main issue is dongles. As already mentioned dongles are a waste of time anyways.

rlSeems some disagree to an extent clubfootfcrl

Just a word of advice with mobile companies and contracts... 'Unlimited' tends to mean nothing of the sort. An 'unlimited' Internet usage, usually means 1gb per month, and charged afterwards.. 'Unlimited' texts on my plan is a max of 4000 a month... not that I'd ever go over that, but it's hardly unlimited is it!

Two things are driving the problem - smartphones present one, but the bigger problem at the moment is mobile broadband services - used by dongles.

All that will happen is those networks with poor 3g coverage will restrict high data usage ( like o2 with iplayer and sky player) to wifi only

I'm sure I read somewhere that 3 are limiting new dongle connections in certain areas as their network cant cope already

so, going out and buying a new shiny iPhone 3G is a bit pointless then?

Na not really I've got an iphone 3g and only really use 3g for web browsing/ listening to radio although 02's 3g network is poor i dont really notice any problems.

Whenever i want to stream or download large amounts of data I'm either at home or work so just use wifi.

on the rare occassion i want to use large amounts of data away from these 2 places there are normally wifi connections available (bars, trains etc)

All I'll say is you can't beat a good wired connection! All this wireless stuff, as practical as it may be, always ends up with problems: either no connectivity or slow connectivity. Things always work better with a wire!