To be fair I think frim ground seems to suit the way we are now playing as even with a big pack its still mobile and Taylor, Watts & Bowden can move their feet and are not just plodders. Then with the likes of Ellis, Pritchard, Mini, Manu added in its never ending for the opposition.

Although 1-17 played well thought Minichello for me was immense at St's, both him and Ellis are just relentless.

I personally think Minichello is more invaluable than Ellis, Ellis is a great leader but Mini does everything he does and a little bit more.
Admittedly he does miss a few more tackles but like yesterday he was first one to the saints player catching the bomb, would love to have seen him level the winger but mistimed it

Ellis is consistent, week in, week out.

I disagree totally. We are noticeably a different team when Ellis is off the field, even yesterday 2 tries were scored during his short spell on the sidelines.

I love mini don't get me wrong. But we are 2 different teams with Ellis and without him

Both fantastic players, great to have such strenght in the pack, many fans including me though we might have the balance of our squad wrong, but the strenght in the pack is the reason for our success.

Well played. Men against boys. Mullered us up the middle. Good luck for the rest of the cup.

Regards

Tail between his legs

King James

Dear me,I like Mini,but Ellis is twice the player,he is still world class.

Privileged to have both,amongst others..good times

... there was a (heated) debate about Turner earlier in this thread... viewtopic.php?p=18349682#p18349682

... there was a (heated) debate about Turner earlier in this thread... viewtopic.php?p=18349682#p18349682

Yet Saints fans saying he's better than Owen and due to him being played in 5 differing positions (this season?) has an affect. Bulked up to play LF so lost some of his pace.
No game changer for sure but he was more than alright for us.

That was the point that I and a few others were making about Turner and you argued against it, he is an alright player that is it, would he improve us now, not in my opinion.

When you say "size and power' Staffs........not sure if you've heard it ? but when Scotty T scores his second try, if you listen closely on BBC iplayer at 2:02:40s you can hear him give out a "rebel yell" as he summons up all his power to overcome Kyle Amor and put him on his back. Gave me goosebumps when I heard it. Imagine trying to stop that kind of power and determination, he sounded like a wild man. That kid wants it so bad.