No - saying that having success in Scottish Football represents any sort of managerial credentials is the laughable part.

Very true. I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks Agar has proven himself as a coach and that he hasn't made any mistakes. Far from it. Some of the ways in which people contort facts in order to make attack after attack on him is however pathetic.

Even breaking a stranglehold of two massive clubs with a much smaller side (something that has never been achieved since)? or if not, you must have missed me mentioning the European success.

GM1 is right about you, if you're not Jon Sharp then you're someone who's willing to say anything to not lose an argument.

Don't even get me started on that comment about the board re-signing Cusack.

You cant prove an opinion.

So let's check the facts that I mentioned: Agar brought Sam Moa to the club and has nurtured his development (as part of a "project"icon_wink.gif. End of facts - disagree with them if you like. Sam is now being touted as a great prospect - which I think is what Agar saw in him. As far as I know, Agar may have had nothing to do with re-signing Cusack (I really don't know) and may want to sign Moa (why bring him here in the first place if he didn't). So what has changed since he brought him in. Have the rules on the quota changed? Have we signed any more overseas players? it seems to me that there is a lot of conjecture turning to FACT that naturally leads to blaming Agar for something that hasn't even happened yet.

Doing it with Aberdeen is pretty impressive. They also won the European Cup Winners Cup (a prestigous trophy in its time), beating Real Madrid in the final. In many respects I think that might be Ferguson's single greatest achievement. Man Utd had won the European Cup before him and may well win in it after he is gone.

Or the future. I agree absolutely. I don't know if Agar is the man for the job - I hope he is - but I do think he deserves a fair crack of the whip.

Yes - you see I was being glib.

I'm not one for calling for coaches to be sacked etc but it will take a pretty big turnaround next season for me to want us to renew his contract.

And for me too! I expect top four. That means a very good showing after 6 games. By that time he will have had approximately two years at the helm, he should have had a clearout of the players he doesn't believe have a future at the club and, please God, we will be without injuries.

If we get lots of injuries I think he needs to go because we need to change our luck - he might be the one that drove over the black cat.