19 man squad v Leeds

Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "That's a fair enough point. I expected you to finish where you finished last year too (being 6th), but I didn't expect you to finish 4th and can't help but feel fans would be feeling very differently had that one match against us gone your way at the end.

However, you have totally valid points too, and obviously you know Hull better than me!! I'm not "pro-Agar", couldn't really care either way if I'm honest, but I just think you could do a lot worse.

It's nice to read a nice intelligent response & debate though!! And not the... "Long hasn't played well" argument that clearly has nothing to do with Agar's intentions or coaching ability (which is what we were discussing!).'"

I can see how it might look from the outside but remember that 6th last year was only seen as an improvement because of Agar's appaling finishes in his first season and a half in charge. During this time we were being told by the club that the team (which still contained a considerable number of players who had only a couple of seasons before won a challenge cup and reached a grand final) was no longer even capable of finishing anywhere near the playoff positions, and the coach was effectively exempt from any responsibility for results until a clear-out could be made.

You make a good point about people probably having different attitudes if we had finished 4th but the fact is we didn't, and what kind of proud sporting institution spends much time focusing on things it [inearly[/i achieved? Embarrassingly for us, even our Chief Exec was at it! If we really were the 4th best team in the league last season then we certainly wouldn't have gone out of the playoffs at the earliest available opportunity by getting spanked at home by our biggest rivals.