Stats are obviously terrible.Top metre maker Moy with 72, only three going over 50m.

Sao 7 carries for 34m, Fash 2 carries for 11 metres, Ashworth 4 carries for 24m. Aydin 5 for 22.

Ex players and coaches need to know
The fans are not Toxic

We are the only thing guaranteed to put in any effort at this Club !!!!!

That pile of steaming Shoite was beyond toxic !! The players efforts are toxic

Grix is a zombie coach

Sunday 16th March 1975

There are points in the life of the dedicated unwavering fan that milestone their lives until the day they die! That date was on the lips of just about every FC. fan for at least two decades for it was the lowest point in our rememberable history for us all and the day that the lowest ever gate in the history of the Boulevard (of 985) witnessed us scrape past the perennial scrubbing brushes of the game Huyton, 17-15. As fans we were down to the last remnants of unblinking loyalty and after season after season of watching often valiant players who were simply not good enough the then board of Directors had managed to take the club to an all time low.

The significance of the date was the fact that by the halcyon days of the late 70's, the 80's and early 90's at least 15,000 claimed to have attended. Everyone you met had been there it was almost a badge of their loyalty to the cause and a display that they were not just a 'there when your winning' 'only here for the beer' fan. It was undoubtedly the lowest point of my then supporting life but I wonder if that inept capitulation from minute one last night will rank in a similar position for fans in years to come. Or will it be this seasons inept capitulation from game one that will rank in the annals of our once great club in the minds of our once great fan base. We came back then but in a time when a philanthropist could throw unending amounts of money at a team when a salary cap world was decades away.

"I was there at Leeds when ...... " "I sat through that 2024 season"

I say this because despite me going on for weeks about how bad things are this is the worst FC team attitude and commitment wise that I can ever remember and that was possibly the worst performance heart and spirit wise I can remember too. (although that has crossed my mind a few times this season) At least back then we had 13 players out on the field who wanted to win and cared about the FC fans stood shivering on the three pennies. Because of a lack of finance a glue pot pitch, a dilapidated ground and poor recruitment we were just crap as players.

Perhaps that's an over reaction and perhaps in fact last nights significance in the history of our club is diluted by the number of "Huyton's' we have witnessed this season already. Perhaps the BBC are coming next week and have picked our game against the unfancied (for many years) Salford just to see how crap we really are??? I see this morning the despicable Mr Beaumont has again stuck the 'Asiata' knife in us as the game lines us to criticise our demise. But why the BBC have picked a game which could well display our humiliation as fans on a national stage even further, is anyones guess.

I don't think we will ever get some fans back now, some have simply had enough, and the damage this administration, this team and this season has done to our club will resonate for years to come but what will remain is the record of us going a whole season without an away win, winning the lowest amount of games in a season in our history and perhaps thanks to Mr Beaumont and Co a club that featured in the IMG great escape. Or, even perhaps the fact that for some it was all in the end blamed by some looking for a scapegoat on one simple fact, a toxic fan base.

It is as I often say simply heartbreaking and if you can walk away and clear it out of your mind now, good for you, I envy you, because some us simply can't!

To no real surprise, the talk from the coach and the players turned out to be incredibly cheap.

I would say this side is the most mentally weak squad I have ever seen, one crumb of adversity and this side seemingly gives up. Zero effort, zero pride in the shirt.

During the many times behind the sticks last night, waiting for Martin to slot over yet another penalty/conversion, I didnt see a single player, nor member of staff take responsibility and leadership to give the players a well deserved spraying, that includes Gareth Ellis, who, as was in his previous stint, have no idea what he is actually there for?

I know Derek runs his mouth, and he is a pain, but ultimately he is right. We will finish bottom, and we should be relegated.

This is where I think signings like Hardaker aren't half as bad as some people (and I'll probably include yourself in this Jake) think they are. Whatever you think of Hardaker's playing ability or his off field issues, he is very competitive and hates losing. The likes of him won't stand for that lack of effort from teammates. Next season is all about sorting the attitude and getting a group of players who are willing to push themselves to their limits in order to win. Then we build from there. Or at least that's the plan.

Completely agree except for the final sentence. You can't change the goal posts once the game has started let alone at the end of the season teams know the play off format and when they have to peak and where they need to finish, and they also know whether there is or isn't relegation and perhaps play to that too. For some reason investment in playing staff wise we have thrown the towel in this year but IMG set the criteria and all the owners agreed to it. Financially teams like Castleford weren't that bothered as a club about winning this season when compared with the money and effort they have put in to improve their stadium facilities etc to stay in Super League, you cant't suddenly change that and put the criteria back to a traditional league set up.

It is what it is thankfully we benefit from it this season and should the goal posts be altered now and Beaumont get his way we would have a big case in the high court to challenge that change. The fun will begin from those who miss out, when the IMG rulings for next seasons competition make up are announced. So as far as your final comment is concerned I agree we deserve to be relegated, wholeheartedly, despite the fact that relegation would see the end of the club. But by the rules set out when the season started, that all 12 clubs have played to, we shouldn't be relegated.

We deserve relegating, in a way it would do the club some good, give them a chance to completely reset like Wakefield and Rovers did. Clear out the crap all in one go and build from the ground up, a year in the championship would also do absolute wonders for most of the young players.

A lot of the best youngsters would be cherry picked by the Super League Clubs, if FC were relegated....... Not sure if that is the point that you were making, in that it would be good for them?

Are you sure the players think.?

Grix has to be moved on now , If he cant motivate the players this season , There not going to listen to him next season either .

Not if we could convince them to stay and build around them, it would be good in the sense that they'll be playing together at a level higher than reserves but lower than super league where theyre just getting hammered every week which is currently doing more harm than good, where they'd have a bit more time but still playing against grown men.

It won't happen anyway as IMG has allowed the club just to sack off the season and take the pi$$ out of the fans along the way.

If we got relegated, we'd lose the players we're trying to build around, Charles, Martin, Barron etc and just end up with the players no other super league team wants to pick from us in Fash, Lane, Briscoe, Chamberlain, Smith, Tindall and the like, we'd struggle the lower attendances and lack of sky money, it'd be a complete disaster

relegation re-energises the club as a whole, forget the playing outfit, the fans, backroom everything gets a blow torch put on it and it goes one of two ways, for us it was a god send, but when it happened i wanted to never watch a ball being thrown again

players will be loyal if theres a buy in, our buy in was a push back for promotion and a genuine turnaround

The half hearted tackling last night was back to the beginning of the season stuff.
Professional rugby players tackling like school boys.
You can’t put this all down to Grix
Even gaz Ellis is involved with the coaching.
There’s no professional pride in their own performance. Even the coaches son with that late hit. He’s banned for the last 2 games.
No pride no discipline.

And I’ve just opened my letter from the club saying thankyou for my fantastic support and not to worry because my rolling subscription will carry on but it’s gone up by a tenner