Probably say about 250 from Huddersfield last night, maybe a bit more at a push.

After winning a few in a row with a new coach I would of expected more, A63 problems might have stopped a few deciding late on to travel mind.

Concerned that we are straying too far from the winning formula from 2016 & 2017. More attacking flair may be good to watch but we seem to have lost some of the aggression and power.

A few players also need to shape up. I’ve been disapointed with Paea all season, in his first spell he was knocking players over, now the runs seem half hearted. I also don’t think Kelly has been great for a few weeks now and looks overweight.

A wins a win and we are not in a crisis, but i’m still not seeing the step up needed to become Grand Finalists, and it looks like we will have pretty much the same squad next season so the improvements gave to come from within.

Agree with ullfc.

It was worrying how easy Widnes marched us down the field. We are not as dominant in the forwards as we have been. We rely to much on Taylor and Paea is not as effective as he was in his first stint. Losing Ellis was a massive loss and to a lesser extent watts.

Hopefully Bienek will continue his development https://twitter.com/SMTMUK/status/10130 ... 91265?s=19

Hopefully Bienek will continue his development https://twitter.com/SMTMUK/status/10130 ... 91265?s=19

I watched his debut last season as a 17 year old and you could see the massive potential he has.
We think Litten has potential but this lad at 18 is miles ahead of Litten.
Regretfully he is on a long term contract and cant see Widnes been relegated
We certainly need someone putting pressure on Danny Houghton as his game for me has dropped,whether thats as a direct result of Losing Watts from the pack i dont know but his kicking is poor and he is not running enough from acting half.
If there was evidence that we need to strengthen our pack both in the second row and front row it was last night.
Fash works his socks off but is not big enough.Never dents the line so i dont know where he realistically would fit into a quality forward pack.
I would still release Washbrook and Manu seems to have become a regular injury liability.Like him a lot and good player on his day but the club surely have to look at game time and value for money.
maybe time to say goodbye

I do agree we do lack some impact and rely very heavily on Taylor

Definitely. Green and Bowden over the last couple of years have been good off the bench but feels now like they miss more than play, and Watts is a top quality prop to have lost. Masi and Fash are coming through but 5 years off their peak so we have a gap in the front row. Some good back rowers but no real line breakers.

forget catching cas for top 4, they have the easier run in, we should be trying to catch wire who have wigan and saints away, plus a tricky one at kr!

I fully expect to see Bienek playing a lot games next season barring injuries and people seem adamant that we’ve signed Josh Jones (don’t see it myself) so could he be replacing Manu?
I’ve also being fairly disappointed with Paea this season too, infact all our props have been well below par barring Taylor, and need a major upgrade in the pack if we’re to get to the Grand Final within the next couple of years.

Taylor
Houghton
Bowden
Minichiello
Griffin
Westerman

Green
Bienek
Hadley
Jones

Don’t think that would be too bad if the signings are true and never imagined Griffin moving to the pack but we need Connor playing the full game.

The key is to catch them at the end of the 8's so we are in the play offs, so the closer we are at the split the better.

agree, but we arent great away from home this season, if the top 8 finishes as it is now after round 23, we would have to go to saints, wire, cas and leeds! snatch 4th from wire, that extra home game could be vital

And Wigan at home who we have a terrible record against at the KCOM.

Did we look like a top 4 team yesterday ?
Probably not
We are hoping we go on an amazing run
BUT so is every fan of every other team
Form counts massively at the end of the season and we don’t seem to have any
Giants match will tell us all what we need to know
This really is a Cup Final
I say that as we should win and Must win

Listening to Radford on the way home from our game on friday he commented on the atmosphere at kcomistan. Are the glory hunters really that quiet? Didn't you lot sing about rovers? (As usual)

Does UTR mean Up The Rear, like most of your squad are treating your "club"?