other people did tho

Other people saw Thorman gesture towards the Hull fans, which is when Last ran on and took him off. So just maybe he wasn't being scapegoated after all.

I've got as low an opinion of Agar as a coach as anyone, but it doesn't seem fair to pin this on him without knowing all the facts.

Trying to be positive, hopefully one important reason is that they know he wants them out, as he should do.

Thinking of King, Tickle and Thorman in particular.

IMO, irrespective of the coaching issue we must stop being a "soft" club where players can take liberties. The best way to address this is to show some players the door even though they have contracts (as in the case of 2 of the players named above).

It's alright not renewing contracts when they expire but showing you're prepared to move someone out when they have a contract sends out the right message that if people don't do their job they can't expect to have one.

This is precisely what Leeds did 5 or 6 years ago. They kicked out at least 3 under contract players and their transformation into a trophy winning club started from there. No longer were they the underpeforming "soft" club where players loved to be for an easy ride.

As I remember it they said yes you have a contract and of course we will honour it, you can stay if you want but you will not be in the first team squad (and basically your career will be going down the drain).

The result - all those identified as surplus to requirements did leave. This is what we must do now.

On the pitch is not the way to deal with players inabilities (ask phil brown!)
Today was a organisationally a shambles, at best, and can be pinned firmly and squarely on the shoulders of one Richard Agar and one Jon Sharpe end of! People and players will always need leaders and management and we have none on both counts

What did Thorman do, whay and when did he do said thing?

Sorry guys, I wasn't at the game!

Totally agree with Frogger....time to move on from Agar and Sharp and bring in a world class coach!

Don't worry neither were most people on here!

Absolutely right the coaching issue is one thing but the club must start once and for all to remove this e immediately.

We need to get rid of all the coaching staff

Murray for coach then? why we never sounded him out when he was over here earlier this season is beyond me.

Enlighten me?

its all right getting rid of the coaches but you still have the same shower of players that can't be f00king d to play and spitting there dummies out.

Cancer at this club needs eradicating first then the coach can go if no improvement imo

I'm sure when Leeds wielded the axe it was Daryl Powell (!) who was coach. Which just shows it's not simply a question of who the coach is.

It took Tony Smith to win them grand finals but the rot was cut out before he arrived.

Both not up to the job Coaching Hull FC. Go now .
Kear and P Sharp were sacked for less.

Why not, we do