I compare it on the basis that the product (on field performance, which doesn't necessarily mean success i.e. trophies) will sustain a client base i.e. fans, the better the performance, the more fans will attend, this will increase further will trophy success. Conversely, poor performance, will result in a reduction and or loss of the client base i.e. fans.

It really isn't significantly different from my business, if we were to perform badly then our clients would look elsewhere, I would have little or no work and the staff would be unemployed, and the business down the #*tter, although I would consider that I would be able to turn things around if it ever got to that stage by removing under performing staff/management.

I wonder if your local pub suddenly started to sell crap beer at an inflated price, would you continue to use it, or would you look elsewhere, leisure is leisure, and leisure business's are still business's

For what it is worth I have been in to the club shop today and bought some sports gear as well as three season passes, that's over £800 in the clubs coffers.

There you go again. Scarmongering to the point that you could be on the clubs payroll. The club has been a joke for years and people can no longer stomach it. IMO people still and will always love this club but can not support it whilst it still rights cheques it simply cant afford to pay. By that I mean Pearson. End of last season in his speech to the nation he said we'd win most games - did we? This season hes already saying he wants top four, now hes saying its gonna take not just this season but the next for efforts to bear fruit almost preparing himself for another poor season of transition. This constant abuse of both the clubs fans wallets and intelligence is making lots and lot just think 'you know what - F()()k off' not just to Pearson but the club as well.

Im giving the club one last chance next season and I hope others do too and hopefully we will se improvements. Just getting into the eight will be an improvement and I expect us to do so. Id also like to see Sneyd settle in and become something the coub can build it self around for years complimented with HTW or Abdull showing SL standard improvements to become club regulars. But most of all I want to see commitment to the shirt from the team AND manager. Do this and everyone will be happy, anything less and the club is finished as it is now only the 5-6000 diehards will be around the season after and the blame for that will lie firmly at Pearsons door and nobody elses

Sure, our own past form has had some effect on attendance, but I also believe that the game of RL has lost its flavour for some (ex) fans. I think that even if we start and get some success on the field, there will be a certain percentage who would never come back.

It may be a bit of a blessing that we have such a tuff start of the season, because we have the opportunity to hit the floor running, and get the results with good performances needed to bring back supporters early in the season.

We also need to rethink how to build up the atmosphere in the stadium. I believe this is so important for the club to get right.

Isn't the sky money going up by around £600k next season?

Good man.

I'll wait until the kit comes out, but I'm expect to get a few items as they look good.

As said still a difference as Hull are part of my life and more to me than just a business I would say my 3rd best day of my life was Cardiff 05.

No it was complete rubbish.

Our average league attendance was 11,072 down from 11,680 in 2013 and down by about 2,700 from 2010 (not by 4,000 as James Smailes said in the Mail).

Even if you factor in the Salford cup game the average was 10,707. I guess he also included the friendly.

Smailes ought to be challenged on these figures and told he's talking rubbish.

.... and SL attendances overall are down 4%.

Could someone define "support" please.

It seems to me that some including Adam seem to think it's simply about sitting in the stands at the KC. Which is fine I guess. But think about it for a moment.

I have been excluded from my passion by Adams desire to entice corporates. (That's my thought and it won't change) because he sees Friday nights as the night for his team. It's impossible for me to have a work family and rugby balance while we play Friday's. So I don't attend matches as I used to. In fact I see the u19s far more than the first team.
I do get to the odd game at Stadium Allam but not many.
In return though I spend a fortune in the shop. 4 kids all with kit. Me with loads of kit all up to date.
The shop turns over millions as far as I know. The head guy was head hunted because it was doing so well.
Now I am one who "stays away" but do I support the club?
I certainly WONT buy a season pass and not use it. No way. I ain't a charity case. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if I was to find I spend more on the club than the average season ticket holder. 5 replica shirt minimum a season will support that theory.

So having read that how do you define someone who supports the club?

For me the issue with Allam is pure and simple. We as fans don't buy beer and food etc in large enough quantity to keep Hull City (sorry) SMC in profit on match days.
Given we could go an entire season with only 13 games at Stadium Allam I would suggest the great philanthropist should be looking at other income streams and not just Adams pockets. Polo won't do it. Squash certainly won't. The odd concert might and maybe even a top flight Union club. But 13 Friday or Thursday night matches of RL will not increase his revenue streams enough to cover his losses.

So are you saying that if everyone stops going the club can survive? Because on the face of it that's a strange position to take.

Actually, it was Pearson last night who stated our actual average crowd was indeed 9662. This was the average number of people 'actually in the ground'.

Which suggested to me that the 'official' attendance figures were perhaps based on the assumption that all passholders were present and the attendance calculated based on that figure plus extra tickets sold plus walk-ups.

I know this has been mooted and challenged before, but last night Pearson's statement seemed to finally put that debate to bed.

And certainly explained some of the more head-scratchingly curious attendances announced, which a quick glance around the stadium often contradicted.

He clearly said the 9662 was the average attendance of people physically in the stadium.

This was where he got the benchmark figure of 9500 from, below which he would not be able to justify the SMC not shutting stands in 2016.

Worrying.

Our attendances have dwindled, but we are still in the top 3-4 highest in SL, the problem is the KC is to big for us, we need our own ground, a smaller ground would create a better atmosphere.

do you know anyone with a spare £20m?