Depends how you define success. Before you get too giddy on the play-offs front, let's not forget that under the format up to 2008, Rovers wouldn't have even qualified for the play-offs in 2010. Agar took FC to a major final that realistically we might have won had Adam Dykes been available. The closest Morgan's come to a major final is a 50-0 ting by Saints in a semi. I personally don't think either team are top dogs in the city. FC won both league derbies, Rovers won a play-off that ultimately led to nothing but a sound beating by Wigan.

I don't rate Agar, as I've said repeatedly, but what do you think of Tom Briscoe? I think he's pretty good. That's Agar's work. I like O'Meley a lot and think Fitz is great. Both signed by Agar. Houghton has developed into a first choice hooker who may be knocking on the international door soon. He's stepped up under Agar. I like that Agar's been brave enough to give Lyne 6 games at the age of 17. Morgan by contrast will shuffle the Aussies round and play them out of position to avoid this sort of risk. Morgan is better in terms of gameplanning, but I don't see him as an irresistible draw for a prospective Aussie player,at all.

You have to keep bringing personal insults into things don't you?? I was trying to have an adult discussion with you on here but you clearly can't manage it!!

I didn't say Reece Lyne was an amazing player, but he is a first choice winger for his country at his age group.

I know quite alot of Rovers fans who aren't totally convinced with Welham and some who actually wanted rid earlier this year. I don't think you'll find one single Rovers fan that would have Tom Briscoe in their side, he would get into every side in superleague IMO.
As i said, Watts is a very good player but as with Briscoe, Houghton is up there with the best hookers in the league at the moment so, of the players mentioned FC have brought theirs on to a higher standard. And rightly so TBH.

Not a biased post IMO.

I'd define success as who achieves more in the competion, for 3 years running that's been Rovers whichever way you want to try and play it down.

I'll give you Houghton, he could hardly pass the ball when he first came into the team and towards the end of last season he'd improved so much we felt we could move Berro to centre... Briscoe likewise but I'd hope Agar has the balls to move him to centre.

Fitz and O'Meley, most people on here in the same position would have signed them and Agar certainly doesn't get the best out of Fitz.

You seem to be struggling for facts here. Crocker was the victim of a change in application of rules which was not anticipated either by Leeds (Eastwood), Huddersfield (Carney), Bradford (Bird) or FC (Crocker) who were all impacted at the same time. Since then clubs have had to get much smarter on the visa front and employ agents to oversee the visa process, hence O'Meley and Fitzgibbon being here from pre season last year. Mason will get here eventually, for sure, but if he didn't it would be a huge embarrassment for Rovers after breaking club protocol to announce the signing early (something Hudgell slated FC for in his derby programme notes as "selling the fans short"icon_wink.gif and extending the season pass discount period off the back of it, and launching the Willie Mason trail.

Is there anything you rate about Hull FC? And more importantly is there anything Rovers do wrong?

I know of a few things....

The best hookers in the league last year:

Cunningham
Roby
Monaghan
LeuLuai
Buderus

You're not seriously suggesting Houghton was up there with those?

We've been to Wembley and made a shedload of cash off the back of it. Rovers would have finished out of the play-offs this year under the 6 team system in place to 2008. Rovers finished above us in 2008 and 2009, fair enough. I don't see them as a more successful club than us though.


So he's brought 2 players up to international standard. Has Morgan developed Welham to the same level? Fox has gone backwards and didn't go to Australia. Ditto Shaun Briscoe, who went backwards this season.



What do you suggest Agar does with a world class workhorse? When the alternative at 13 is Washbrook, I think Agar's done the right thing so far. Now Westerman is here, it should change.

The rovers troll has got a few bites.

Sorry yes I'm sure if Rovers had realise we were the unfortunate victims of a change in application rules they would have refrained from giving us so much stick over the Crocker thing / As I'm sure you well know, when there's a big rivalary, the intricacies of situations don't count for much, only the outcomes and the bragging rights that result. No doubt if Mason didn't make it over we'd have a field day but it would be tempered by the fact it had happened to us first.

Not even that good a troll, it's the nasty comments about Lyne and the whinging about minor derby incidents that "robbed" Rovers that give him away.

Houghton is better then Hodgson is all that matters to our new mate.

Spoken like a true Robin. You're having a laugh here. It won't happen, Mason will be here shortly, it said so in the press last week, but if he were refused a visa it would be carnage after the stick for Crocker, the hypocrisy of Rovers to announce the signing early and the PR campaign on the Willie Mason trail. There would be no tempering of it in the slightest, in fact the complete opposite.

keep praying mrs. bore-ista.