it is true, he has NEVER changed a game on his own, he is a good support player, he isn't worth £100k a year, never has been, Cooke was twice the player he is, as much as I hate to say it.

Maybe you should not take it out on me, and take it out on the totally inept coach we have. F8ck knows what he says at half time, everytime we go in winning we come out and just self destruct/throw it away.

Happens for too often, tell me how a full team can fall apart so quickly, one simple answer to that, the coach!

Let's be honest folks, it's not a tough task to beat Hull is it really. Leeds are poor but can easily work out how to beat us. Macdermott should go a thank Agar for been a complete and utter clueless coach.

Or fitness? The exposure the coach has to the players at HT relative to his exposure during the full week is minimal. I'm not defending Agar but I'm not sure how his HT team talks can be blamed when he speaks to the players far longer during the week?

Wigan v L**ds I Hope

It's simple to work out.

This is how agar works out.

Were loosing at half time - come on lads, pick it up we can win this, we give a fightback, come close or maybe if we are lucky snap it.

Go in winning, well done lads, great half.... but I don't know where to go from here to motivate you and keep it up.

The commentator said (dunno if you all heard it) that agars message at half time was to go out and defend, you don't need to defend, if your scoring trys, and attacking well. IMHO he went straight back to his negative tactics. CLUELESS!

The 2 key areas Agar failes/lacks in his coaching attributes is: Motivation, Tactics, especially lacking on how to kill a game off.

Washbrook, Luaki, Sharp, Dowes, Horne, Lynee (loan out), Agar to be replaced.

You're wrong, but TBH I can't be ar$sed to go through the same arguments again. And it's irrelevant anyway as the important thing is how good he is now and will be next season. He's been one of our better players up until his injury, but on today's showing I reckon he should take the time out to have whatever treatment he needs and get 100% fit for the pre-season.

Wigan v Saints and Leeds v Cas


Wigan v Leeds final I reckon.

I agree with Kosh.

Richard Horne on his day is one of our best players. He's been through a lot of injuries, we've been playing with only 1 half back (and any pairing over the past few seasons has been limited to only a handful of games).

On top of that, after cooke went, hull have never replaced him, horne and cooke linked up very well, and was always a threat. How many times did you see horne make a half break today, look to offload for no one to be there? I can name at least 5 or 6 times!

Our support play is terrible. The solution is a few outgoings and incomings, and agar needs replacing with a coach, aussie or newzelander that likes to play attacking rugby.

Never said he wasn't injured but you always come out with some sort of excuse for him.


He never has nor never will be good enough for a team who want to be the biggest club in the country. A two year deal was a mistake we will see that over the next two seasons.

We should be looking to a different half back, we know he doesn't have the personality (which is a rubbish excuse) to control games as a half back he should have gone a long time ago.

Unlucky we got Cas!

You CBA because you know he's not wrong.

Horne can't control a game on his own. Cooke was twice the player Horne was.

Yup, bang on the money, just some people seem to think he is beyond reproach, he was garbage today when we needed someone to control the game, would we have lost with Dykes on the field, NO.

Ah well, just our exciting scrap for 8th followed by a playoff defeat to look forward to now.