Our passing of the ball is still abysmal. We don't have enough dummy runners and our backing up is poor. We simply don;t score enough tries compared to other top sides. Add in inconsistent discipline and defensive frailties at times and you can see where we've fallen down. Having said that, we've won 2 CC's on the trot and had 2 top 4 finishes in a row. I dare say that had we not got to wembley we probably would (should) have won the SL title in at least one of the last 2 years.

I think we have a good squad of players who are capable of winning the GF but we're not putting together the performances in the league that we've seen in the cup

the way radders has had us play has won us 2 CC finals, a few tweaks here and there is all that's needed, I think abdull coming in could be our missing element as he is a ball handler something we properly are missing,

Not get distracted by a Challenge Cup final

not a bad problem to have, 3 in a row would be immense!!

(has any side ever done it?)

I think wigan might have just managed it (with 8 wins) and saints certainly have as well.

Stuff the plastic final , go all out for the challenge cup .

bang on, hadn't realised Wigan won 8 on the trot (87-95), and then Saints 3 (2006-2008), when you look at the CC history there's a fair few teams that aren't anywhere near SL anymore!

We sponsor Melbourne Storm and at our annual conference Craig Bellamy came to do a talk and Q&A for 30 mins
I took a lot of notes and will ping them to AP
It's pretty clear he's modelled on Bill Belichick at Patriots
He's crazy for the 1%s and working so hard on all the basics and knowing your job and sticking to it like your life depends on it
That's why Defence wins GFs and is a reflection of the team ethos
Missed tackles are a major gauge of that

Been guilty of a bit of name-dropping on here myself over the years but you are this forum's chief exponent in the art of it.


I like it Tarqs, keep up the good work.

Name dropping Wiv 'ardmen is hardly comparable though mate?

We were in a similar position after our cc wins. I think that next step is a big one and it's more a mentality change throughout the whole club.

There were many heated debates on the wire hoard about us getting to two finals and winning the lls being a success or failure. I'm pretty sure people with a gf ring would call it a a failure. I'm by no means trying to say that the cc or lls are worthless winning any of the 3 cups available is an achievement.

I hope that there's a new name on the trophy preferably warrington but if not anyone other than Wigan saints or Leeds!!!!

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/ru ... ven-859624 Decent read and good to hear..

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/ru ... ven-859624 Decent read and good to hear..