You shouldn't have any problems beating leeds next week after that display last night against a wigan under 10's team missing 60 first team players.

I thought Wigan were at full strength? I mean, I can't remember a single occasion when sky mentioned any injuries.

Abandon all hope all ye who enter here!

I honestly haven't felt this dispirited about the direction, future and prospects of our once great club since the very dark days of 1999.

As a club we look clueless, rudderless and directionless with no clear leadership from either boardroom or coaching staff. From the outside looking in, it's difficult to escape a feeling of in-grained accepted mediocrity being passed off as merely a transitory "we're a work in progress" ethic.

We need a fresh start, a total fresh start, not just simply changing the coach who then proceeds to further continue the same culture of missed opportunities leading to chronic underachievement and a never ending cycle of a club that cannot maximise its undoubted potential to be one of British Rugby League's great clubs.

We need a man (or possibly even a woman if that's what it will take) with clear ideas of the goals to be set and the knowledge and desire to formulate a plan to achieve those goals, whether it takes one year or ten. A man/woman working with their own trusted people in order to establish a winning mentality and a desire to be the best in all aspects of the club. That leadership and drive has to start from the top downwards (at both boardroom and coaching level).

If such a scenario was to come to pass (say in five years time), then I suspect that very few of the current playing roster will still be wearing black & white, and none of the current coaching staff will picking up a pay cheque at the Kc stadium. Due to the last 7 or 8 years of mistakes piled upon bad calls mixed with wrong turnings built upon some very shaky foundations of repeated errors of judgment, it may take the club years before any real progress is made, and patience is already growing very very thin amongst the faithful.

Who that person is, to revive the fortunes of a rapidly ailing club, I really have no obvious answer (probably because there isn't an obvious answer to the FC conundrum). The best man for the job is currently unavailable. It is widely believed he died some 2000 years ago, nailed to a cross on a hill. This was, apparently, as a direct result of his failure to get the People's Judean Front into the Hebrewian Play-offs. Although, in his defence, he did manage to get the very best out of an under-achieving half-back called Lazarus who seemed to cut a rather ghostly figure on the playing fields of Nazareth.

If we could find such a man, and he could turn water into wine at the KC stadium, then I trust we would show him a little more in the way of hospitality.

Spot On.......

for too long we as supporters have accepted excuse after excuse, season after season and now the sands of time are running out. Fans have had enough and voting with there feet we are on the slide downward, many of us have been here before and always knew we would be back again one day. It is vogue not to criticise the club or be accused of being faithless and not a true fan, most of these people have not been around a long while and will soon vanish into the nearest vacant anus they can find. I could not attend home matches for the last few years due to work commitments, now I can attend them all and too be honest I no longer feel the urge to go. I have found other interests that take up my time now and that the problem you break habits of a lifetime and you never come back. This time if the club slides down and down the hard core support is less then it has veer been, you only have too look at them streaming out five minutes to time win or lose or sit among them listening to crud being spouted. I rarely blame players, they do not want to play crap after all but too many of our crowd want a scapegoat for coaching/management failings. We see players giving it 100% the next week they are dropped, the current players look unhappy with each other almost strangers at times with moves/kicks right hand not knowing what left is doing

Clearly AP has had some poor advice and the last regime sowed the seeds he will reap. He needed time to learn and develop a team and he has now run out of time. He needs to act quickly and its not going to be cheap, nice and will split fans opinions. Radford will go its no a question if but when Friday's and Leeds ripping us a big new anus will do it because AP is no Rhino lover, anyone thinking Radford will continue beyond this season is deluded his attack on the fans was the end for me.

Radders may well have been a good appointment in a year or two, not now he is clearly out of his depth and that is APs fault a bad decision. The coaching at FC is one of the lightest in the game, all well meaning but that is part of the problem its all like an old boys network.

Get in someone who knows what they are doing to run the clubs coaching and player development.

Current performance, and implied uncertainty around Radford, must be hampering or at least not helping, recruitment for next year.

For me we have a core of "keepers", either on long deals or ones we should retain:

5. Tom Lineham 2017
8. Mickey Paea 2015
9. Danny Houghton 2018
10. Chris Green 2016
11. Gareth Ellis 2015
12. Chris Tuson 2015
13. Joe Westerman 2016
16. Jordan Thompson 2016
22. Josh Bowden 2016
20. Jamie Shaul 2019
26. Feka Paleaaesina 2015
21. Dean Hadley 2015
32. Fetuli Talanoa 2015?
24. James Cunningham 2015
29. Bobby Tyson-Wilson
30. Harry Tyson-Wilson

I think we'll release the following in addition to Azza.
1. Shannon McDonnell 2014
6. Richard Horne 2014
19. Jay Pitts 2014
23. Liam Kent 2014
27. Ryan Wilson 2014
28. Alex Starling 2014

This leaves the following group contracted for next year but who aren't "delivering" so far this year. Maybe the club will seek to move some of these on.
2. Jason Crookes 2015
3. Ben Crooks 2016
4. Kirk Yeaman 2015
7. Jacob Miller 2015
14. Richard Whiting 2016
15. Joe Arundel 2016
34. Jordan Rankin 2015
17. Liam Watts 2015
31. Reece Dean

I would keep Whiting, but to say he's performing as well as ever is wrong. He's done nothing all season. Very poor by his own standards.

.... it's a good job Superleague is awash with surplus quality players waiting to sign for us.

Er yes, getting rid of the deadwood is one thing, replacing them with players of the desired quality is another thing entirely .

Ditto

Was going to get my first pass in 5 years, as I'm back in Hull after working abroad, will wait and see what happens in the next few weeks now.

Harsh and unrealistic. Changes need to be made without a doubt, but not every player at Leeds, Wigan and Saints is a super star and we have plenty of guys who are good enough to play in a top team without being brilliant players.

The guys we need to keep as a priority and build a team around are imo:

Shaul
Lineham
Crooks (I know he's struggled this year but he will still make a good player)
Bowden
Green
Hadley
Westerman

Then there is the group of players who I would like to keep, but wouldn't be too upset to see let go if good replacements are available:

Talanoa
Paea
Houghton
Whiting
Miller
Rankin
Feka
Ellis
Tuson
Thompson
Watts
Cunningham

So that leaves us with the guys we should be actively looking to move on:

McDonnell
Crookes
Yeaman
Horne
Kent
Colbon
Carvell
Arundel
Pitts

I haven't included youngsters in that and I have given benefit of the doubt to guys like Rankin and Miller.

Richard Horne's worst season ever, was his benefit season.
Yeaman was shocking last season - his benefit season
Whiting is having his benefit season - nuff said
Clearly there is much more to organising bingo & quiz nights
than us mere supporters realize

I thought it was interesting that yesterday Cas had 5 FC rejects playing for them. Deemed not good enough for the mighty FC, they're now part of a side that has improved massively this year (yes, it may not last) and they look down on our lowly 10th place from 3rd, having thrashed a team that beat us only a few weeks ago.

The point being of course that a side (regardless of so-called quality) that is together and wants to play can do so much better than a team of supposed stars who either can't or won't. On paper, you'd say we're better in the majority of positions, but in terms of form, confidence and will to win, they're streets ahead.

We need to start again, write off this season and build over the next few, like Cas have, like Leeds did, like Wigan did. I'm not suggesting that we chuck games, but why not blood some of the youngsters? Try different set ups, game plans? We seem to be playing completely different 17s and different game plans week in week out anyway, so why not actually say it and do it?

We as fans need to calm down with our expectations that we can win trophies and realise that we ain't going to be challenging for some time. We might fluke a CC final and maybe win it, but the aim should be long term success, not a quick fix just so we can say we won something. AP needs to read the riot act, get rid of some players, some coaches and effectively start again.

Some of our defence on Saturday was shocking and we're back in the old "go behind, heads down" way I thought we'd got rid of. Once we go behind the players seem to feel that its game over. It is so frustrating because we've seen a few times this year that we CAN play well.

Still, come Thursday, we'll have a player trotting out the "we can beat Leeds and kick on from that" flannel and then have our backsides comprehensively handed to us at Headingley on Friday night.

Perhaps for different reasons, but I'm with Dobbo. Enough is enough. I love Hull FC, which is why seeing us like this hurts.