But you also make your own luck and we seem to be the masters of our own demise with all too frequent dross like tonight.

There's no excuses, we have a good group of players who seem to underperform at will.

I like Radford, but please no, we need a better coach

Well I guess only Saints have won more SL games than us this year. Crack on

Don’t think we need a change of head coach or assistant coach, but we deffo need a new voice in the camp. We’re crying out for some different attacking ideas, and have been for 18 months.

I think those Salford fans will start to believe they could make the Grand final, and who can blame them? They did a number on us today and are looking in tip top form in the run in.

I think our 2020 recruitment will fix a LOT of the issues. We'll be right up there with Saints, Warrington and Wigan for the title next year.

names on paper win you nothing

What about our defence?
How many games now have we we conceded over 40 points?
If we are crying out for new attacking ideas as you say and also concede so many tries i put it to you that we need a new coaching set up as we are deficient in both defence and attack

so it was crap on and off the field

It will be ‘Jam tomorrow’ next season as well
Players just act on the coaches instructions and motivation etc
Defence is the barometer of any team
There is nothing left to say

For those of you who think LR and AL can deliver a GF then in my humble opinion I forecast disappointment once more

Radford and Last have proved in 2016 & 2017 that they can coach defence. I agree it’s been poor this year especially, but the coaching staff have proved they can do it.
What has been apparent in Radfords tenure is that the attack relies on either a kick, or a piece of individualism. The structures just don’t seen to be there, and we are reliant on certain individuals.
Therefore, I’d recruit in that area. Won’t happen though.

Tevita at 5 yesterday "I'm really looking forward to this". Tevita at 8 yesterday "What the f**k have I done".

Thankfully the grand final isn't played at the KC so we still stand a chance at silverware this year.

I really don't know what's going on at our club. Everyone seems to content with the utter e that's been on display for most of the season. The players can't be d, the coach has admitted he doesn't know what to do about it and the owner has his head in the sand about all of it. Just to top it off there's so many fans busting their guts to make excuses and pretend we are doing ok. the whole of the 'Hull FC' entity is delusional.
Look at what Ian Watson is doing with Salford. No fans, no money, players sold from under his nose and they regularly produce quality rugby league. Can you imagine what someone like him could do with our squad!?