unless hull improve their home form,we wont make top 5 and wont deserve to..to be honest those people who keep buying a season pass like me are not getting value for money.

It's because he's doing 4 blokes work. I dare say anyone would be jaded on those circumstances.

I noticed tonight we were 0 -18 down when ellis came on,we never let a try in rest of the half,ellis went off and second half we collapsed again.

Fabulous St Helens team performance, they destroyed us with consummate ease, as good a team from a club side in living memory, outstanding disciplined, aware, fantastic coaching achievement, well done all the Hull fans, the majority stayed while we were schooled, but we stuck at it, it happens in sport, I thought we had a good chance tonight, but sometimes reality hits home, this is the level all teams should aspire to emulate. Outstanding

What’s the main factor behind Saints ?

Well it used to be Pilkingtons glass.

Before your time perhaps.

We wont have the best back line when we keep using Shaul at full back.

you should have gone to Mersey side radio,that’s where I found it after missing the firstb20minutes.

That is where I ended up, which is ironic given I live west of the pennines.

Sounded like we where rubbish, I thought we had a shot, I think we've settled on third, quietly out of the CC and go again next season with Warmington on Sea as the forwards.

how mamy teams have finished top half of SL with so many crushing defeats?

not a badge we wear with pride

Couldn't get over to Hull to watch the game, was expecting a close game too be honest. What happened to Connor did he play all the game just noticed his stats were 6 tackles and 1 carry for 5 metres thought it would have a good match up with Percival.

It also sounded as though the ref Kendal was below par as usual with a quite a few in our favour. Hull seem to be a Jeckyll and Hyde team Radford needs to get a grip sooner than later.

holbrook. He's transformed them

Our main problem is out pack and FB, I like Shaul, but he hasn't improved his link play enough, I'd look to play Connor there next season, if Shaul isn't happy he either needs to improve or look to leave, sounds harsh, but I honestly think it would improve our attack.

Which of our pack would get in Saints team, maybe only Taylor, but even thats doubtful on current form.

Think Radford sees this and with hopefully 4 new forwards, full off season for Bowden and Savelio, Griffin in the forwards. Another year for Lane and Masi hopefully this will improve our pack.

I said on the virtual terrace before the season started that the new rule changes play right into our hands. Holbrook has built the fittest most athletic pack in SL and no other team are fit enough to match our intensity. Warrington tried last week but couldn’t. We can keep it going for 80 minutes as we have no old school type impact props. We don’t need them. The game has changed but other teams haven’t adapted yet

Why is it though Dave, playing against a dominant pack we still took them on up the middle with predominantly 1 out rugby?
The only real time we threw the ball around we scored.
Now is that coaching and game plan or players mindset?
Whichever unfortunately it's been an all too common thread through Radford's tenure.
Holbrook was pitch side 2nd half giving instructions directly to Wellens and players alike, geeing them up even when they'd just waltzed through our defence and scored.