I think we are a long way off the taxi call, not that i agree with myself, but Rule will ride this one out a bit longer, we have Dennis in reserve so the options are apparent.

However Good Friday becons, if the slide continues and belive me we are sliding, then the beginning of the end should start.

The players were naff last night, the coaching descissions worse and no emotion, when was the last time you saw Agar bellowing instructions down the mouth piece, more like ordering his Pizza to collect on the way home.

I'm not looking for a hair dryer coach, but i don't see any head to head type descissions with Dennis on match days, we can't seem to adapt when the game plan fails, or if we do, it's far to late, basic stuff realy,you have to point the finger at the coaches.

At this point in the season we should be seeing the team gel and move forward, we have'nt had any realy major injuries (i'm touching wood) so why are we not seeing this, we are a better team than good game bad game team we are seeing, for me that sits firmly at the coaches door.

Agar is quite clearly clueless. Where is the gameplan? Where is the motivation?

Personally I'd have fired him mid season last year but with the recruitment and removal of dead wood I thought he should be given a second chance. However, it is clear that he's just not up to it and should be removed as soon as possible to stop another season going down the toilet.

As for even discussing renewal of his contract, that would be comercial suicide!

Talking of contracts, we have started to talk to a number of players i understand.

Contract talks, poor perfomance, does that ring a cord, either those spoken too think it's in the bag or those that haven't are 'P'd off, something is wrong, deeply wrong in my oppinion.

Friday has to be a new start, one way or another.

It's not just one result though is it?

Agar's tenure has been littered with poor performances. Catalans at home and Wigan, Bradford and Rovers away in 2008. Most of 2009, especially Cas and Leeds away, Huddersfield at home and Salford in the Cup. Three times already this season.

We will not win every game but we are regularly not even competing.

I think the two Leeds games are key for Agar now, especially if we lose twice over Easter which looks likely.

I think Agar should be greatly looked at by the board come full time Easter Monday. Its two huge games and will be interesting to see the player responses to last night and Good Friday. He is always slated on motivation and rightly so and Easter needs motivation more than anything. Heres to a interesting Easter.

No it wasnt, but in my opinion with the right attitude towards the game we could have still walked away with a win yesterday despite what you mentioned above, of course the coach cant be held responsable for individual errors but the general lack of ideas and negitivety that has been on show throughout Agars time in charge was there to see, even our good home form is simply based on grinding out results, thats what we do, we dont play particularly well even when we win, for what its worth I think Agar would be a good coach for a side who lacked the resources and players that the better teams have but we dont fall into this category he is not the right man for the job, the resources he has we should be able to out play teams especially the likes of Crusaders and Salford but all we do is go up the middle and hope for the best with no flair or plan B, and some of the comments he makes publically are questionable to say the least, I know it gets brought up often and is maybe blown out of proportion but his comments about not really watching or concenrating on others teams are laughable when you consider our past two away games the coaches clearly pin pointed what they think are weaknesses in our side and done a job on us.

On a side note aswell his vendetta against Craig Hall is simply pathetic, ok he had a poor game against Wigan (all be it out of position) and cant have any arguments about being dropped, but Yeaman and Briscoe performed just as poor last night and will keep there places, the players must pick up on this and it cant be good for morale.

Are people seriously saying that 5 from 8 wouldn't have been seen as good enough at the start of the season?
It is a very tight league nowadays.
Seems like wins are almost as bad as losses for Agar, as they just raise expectations to unrealistic levels and make losses, when they do inevitably occur, seem like disasters. Hull were poor last night, but they have been excellent in other games by most accounts.

Re you seriously saying that losses to the 13th and 14th placed teams from last season are acceptable? Or the hammering at wigan?

Apart fom the Saints game we have not been excellent, very similar to the five games at he start of 2009 in my opinion we did enough to scrape through games. Had it been a new coach fans opinions wouldnt be as strong as they are because as you say it hasnt been a disasterous start, but when you are told that the previous two pathetic seasons were simply down the coach not having the players he wanted, yet still turning out the same dross and excuses with "his team" im afriad he wont be given much patience and dosnt deserve it, he made his bed by spouting all the rubbish about dead wood etc and how things will be different with different players now he has to live by it.

This new look Hull FC team should be going to teams like Salford and Crusaders and giving them a thumping. I expect wins at teams like that to be around 30 to 40 pointers with complete domination. I do expect Hull to lose games but expect them to play well even when they do get beat. All teams have blips in the season and have a loss of form however Hull have made this clueless rugby their trade mark over the last two seasons. I expect rock solid performances every week from the players we now have at the club but I don't see that, what I see is a group of well paid players running around like headless chickens and I account blame for that on the heads of the Board and coaching staff. Sean Long and Fitz etc are world class players but they come to Hull and something changes. We have lost 3 games now, we have won five games, only the win against Saints was a good performance, the rest of the games the cracks started to show. I fear the worse for Hull unless things can be turned around...that starts with the search for a class coach to replace Agar whenever he goes back to coaching teams like York!

Coach yes....Head coach not in a million years...out of his depth and man-management is attrocious.

To right

This is Agars team after all and we have lost three games two against teams that will be in bottom 3

I`m not a fan of Agar I think he is not the man to take us to the next level.
But we have won games this season that we could have lost . Saints away, Hudds and Bradford at home could have gone either way.
More worrying is the teams inability to put so called "lower" sides to the sword.
5 from 8 is about right looking at the opening fixtures , but after beating the better sides 7 from 8 should be on the board.

As long as Agar stays, we will have this same thread every couple of weeks because apart from grinding out some good results, we are going to continue to underperform with this baffoon at the helm of what is, let's face it, a very good squad which should be capable of a top four finish.

Put Morgan, Brown, Smith, McGuire, McClennan etc.. in charge of our squad and I'm sure that we would have some kind of silverware within a couple of seasons. With Agar, we're going to blindly stumble from one mediocre performance to the next with a few very poor ones thrown in.