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| Quote: Dave K. "The source of the started rumour on Manu is very good, knows most if the Hull team and many other SL players through his business.
I know we don't need another backrower, but he is just too good not to sign and I think the club are thinking long term as Mini and Ellis will retire after next year and I think we might lose Westy the year after.'"
Same source as me then!
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| Quote: El Masa Loco "If we sign Manu I am getting a Saxon ticket and doing the 500 mile round trip for the games'"
Presumably on your Wheels of Steel?
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| Motu Tony, torn Achilles tendon. Exact same injury as Gareth Ellis. Any comeback hopes shattered. Real shame because he has got himself into great shape and had a genuine chance with combining his current role with that of your interchange hooker.
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| Don't want to turn this into a slating Radford post, but it really doesn't matter who we sign if the coach cannot get them to play!
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| Quote: loosemann "Don't want to turn this into a slating Radford post, but it really doesn't matter who we sign if the coach cannot get them to play!'"
Depends. We'll likely finish 7th this year. Upgrades to the back row. Props better for including Ellis. Proven NRL winger replaces Lineham. Tuimavave replaces Rankin. Issues of lack of proven centre and interchange hooker no different to this year. Could be OK. Not Top 4, but that's unrealistic.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Depends. We'll likely finish 7th this year. Upgrades to the back row. Props better for including Ellis. Proven NRL winger replaces Lineham. Tuimavave replaces Rankin. Issues of lack of proven centre and interchange hooker no different to this year. Could be OK. Not Top 4, but that's unrealistic.'"
Think we'll definitely finish 8th, Catalan usually pretty good when it comes to play off rugby, can see them upsetting a few
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Think we'll definitely finish 8th, Catalan usually pretty good when it comes to play off rugby, can see them upsetting a few'"
It may all turn on whether we can beat Catalans at home.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Depends. We'll likely finish 7th this year. Upgrades to the back row. Props better for including Ellis. Proven NRL winger replaces Lineham. Tuimavave replaces Rankin. Issues of lack of proven centre and interchange hooker no different to this year. Could be OK. Not Top 4, but that's unrealistic.'"
We can recruit new signings until 'the cows come home',
but until we are coached as a team, things wont change.-IMO.
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| Quote: weaver93 "We can recruit new signings until 'the cows come home',
but until we are coached as a team, things wont change.'"
Depends how you define "not changing". If you gave Radford Leeds squad, it's fair to assume they'd beat our current team. Quality of playing personnel, believe it or not, makes a difference.
Will we break through the Top 3 "glass ceiling" with the 2016 squad and Radford? No. Would we with another coach, like Paul Anderson, or Frayssinous, or even Darryl Powell? Unlikely IMO. We might do better next season though than this. We have done better this season than last and the squad's better. Not an outrageous scenario.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Depends how you define "not changing". If you gave Radford Leeds squad, it's fair to assume they'd beat our current team. Quality of playing personnel, believe it or not, makes a difference.
Will we break through the Top 3 "glass ceiling" with the 2016 squad and Radford? No. Would we with another coach, like Paul Anderson, or Frayssinous, or even Darryl Powell? Unlikely IMO. We might do better next season though than this. We have done better this season than last and the squad's better. Not an outrageous scenario.'"
Of course,quality playing personnel ,does make a difference,but the key is, too gell them into a team. and not into a group of individuals.
Players still mis-time runs, our passing is still slow & inaccurate, also 10 yards from the opposition try line, we are not decisive, we look clueless we have no set plan.
Playing against the top 4 in SL, our attack is nullified by the oppositions fast defensive line speed.
IF Radford,Last & Horne were at Leeds, Leeds's performances would slowly dissapate.-IMO
For mine, a proven coach would gell us into a 'team, I'm not saying we would be top 4, but at least we would be 50/50 chance of winning against a top side.
I doubt Castleford 's salary cap is on a par with us, and the difference in team ethic & performance, is noticeable. in my opinion as individuals,we have better quality players than Castleford.
Personally I have zero confidence in our coaching team.
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| I agree there'd likely be an improvement under Powell. But saying that there'd be no change with a better squad is crackers.
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| Well if we are going to have a better squad next season then we can surely expect better performances and a higher finish.
If there is no improvement then Radford will have no excuses.
In year three of his tenure with what is truly his own squad, he won't be able to blame anyone else.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Depends how you define "not changing". If you gave Radford Leeds squad, it's fair to assume they'd beat our current team. Quality of playing personnel, believe it or not, makes a difference. Brian McDermott from London to Leeds is a great example of this
Will we break through the Top 3 "glass ceiling" with the 2016 squad and Radford? No. Would we with another coach, like Paul Anderson, or Frayssinous, or even Darryl Powell? Unlikely IMO. We might do better next season though than this. We have done better this season than last and the squad's better. Not an outrageous scenario.'"
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "Quote: Legends and Icons "Depends how you define "not changing". If you gave Radford Leeds squad, it's fair to assume they'd beat our current team. Quality of playing personnel, believe it or not, makes a difference. Brian McDermott from London to Leeds is a great example of this
Will we break through the Top 3 "glass ceiling" with the 2016 squad and Radford? No. Would we with another coach, like Paul Anderson, or Frayssinous, or even Darryl Powell? Unlikely IMO. We might do better next season though than this. We have done better this season than last and the squad's better. Not an outrageous scenario.'" '"
Of course quality of playing personnel makes a difference, but we are never going to have a squad as good as Leeds, Wigan, Saints or Wire. We therefore need a coach who can get the best out of the players we have.
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| I was only thinking about this this morning.
Teams like Hudds and Cas were once teams we'd expect to beat quite regularly and were almost the whipping boys of the league.
Now no longer. Hudds are far superior and for me between ourselves and Cas the balance of power so to speak is now shifting towards them.
The catalyst for these 2 teams has definitely been there coaching appointments which has enabled their clubs to improve beyond us.
Pritchard and Taylor aside our recruitment is of an unknown nature thus far and hopefully an improvement over what we currently have but unless our style of play and tactical approach radically change I believe we will still encounter the same issues but will scrape top 8 again. Top 6 is where we need to be aiming at As Cas and Hudds have consistently achieved last 2 seasons.
For me to get the best out of our squad this season and next we need a new coach.
For me we could improve but think it would be down to improved players quality not coaching ability.
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