I would have thought that Leeds winning the last 3 Grand Finals is some sort of domination (and anyone who thinks they can't make it 4 is serioulsy deluded).

To be fair id take 4th this season as a good improvement, Then try build on it next year.

I see were Pmarrow is coming from though.

and they were good for it over those , however who won it 4 years ago and who will win in this term??
My point exactly a champion side is usually as the history books show dominant for a 2 / 3 year period then the power shifts as was the case with bradford , leeds, saints etc
wigans dominance some years back was due to powerful spending way beyond their means that nearly ended wigan rugby league club and many others to boot .

we are as we stand one of the big 6 in SL and a scalp everyone wants to get, shortly we will have our time again !!

i can see his point also but that does not mean we are clueless by a long way, the club already have plans afoot for when our current contracts expire next year and we will become a force to recon with again.. as we are already to be fair, just not consistent enough

I haven't said we are clueless but we have performed very poor some weeks and very good other weeks.

It has to be a concern that some weeks we get up for games and then the next week we can be utter e. Thats not negativity, its how it is.

negative to most i am afraid

Worst case is we've got 4 games left before next February. Let's enjoy it and hope the team treat each one like a cup final. It's a long winter.

well said

Absolutley rubbish.

that proves my point

The only point it proves is where Hull FC are concerned, we could have lost every game so far and you'd be still saying Agar is a great coach and respected by the players

which is certainly not what i would be doing!! but i guess it backs your argument