I wouldn't call his posts drivel. Lets face it your posting on an FC board about positives/negatives about Leeds and you don't expect critism?

tbh I think icecream guy may have a point.

He's responsible for bringing in O'Meely, Fitzgibbon, Long & Obst, and he's had the guts to get rid of Tansey.

Last year he managed to get you one game away from 4th spot (just behind Wigan, Saints & Wire).

Now you tell me, at the start of last year were you expecting to do better than that? We you expecting to very nearly finish higher than Leeds or Huddersfield? Were you expecting to be amongst the top 4 clubs in the league? Because if you were I'd suggest it's your own expectations that are letting you down far more than Agar is.

Just saying!

I seriously doubt that right at this moment.

You haven't seen the various guises he uses then, the insults and childish language he throws around or the posts where he pretends to work for the club? Also I'm not sure why I should expect criticism for discussing our next opponents?

What point do you think he has exactly?

I would suggest that the [imajority[/i of FC fans have their doubts but are waiting to see how we go this season. Not off to a good start, but a win tonight would help a lot.

Long aint been a success and Obst is yet to prove anything, plus he brought in Tansey knowing of his reputation.

We finished roughly where I expected us to finish last season, and there's no disputing it was a big improvement from 2008 and 2009. Agar's recruitment last year was widely welcomed, not so much this year, although there are some extenuating circumstances. The problem is that a lot of people feel that Agar will never take us any further than we are now. The team have too many problems with the basics (passing, supporting, running lines) and he has too many weaknesses with selection and rotation.

If we don't improve again this year it's safe to say that the majority will want him gone.

Well, the award for making things up can be handed out, the ALL of the FC fans I know would get rid of Agar in a heartbeat, but they know we are stuck with him, for whatever reason.

As for the underlined point, I can't be bothered to explain why it's guff.

My apologies, I had mistaken you for a Leeds fan, I only read the last 3/4 pages of this thread.

And the point he was making about the posabillity of our coach doing something good, coming from a team with having very little to wrok with to a team where he has more opportunities.

Do we have any confirmation Obst's paperwork is through yet ?

That's a fair enough point. I expected you to finish where you finished last year too (being 6th), but I didn't expect you to finish 4th and can't help but feel fans would be feeling very differently had that one match against us gone your way at the end.

However, you have totally valid points too, and obviously you know Hull better than me!! I'm not "pro-Agar", couldn't really care either way if I'm honest, but I just think you could do a lot worse.

It's nice to read a nice intelligent response & debate though!! And not the... "Long hasn't played well" argument that clearly has nothing to do with Agar's intentions or coaching ability (which is what we were discussing!).

It'd be ironic if Hetherington's moan at the UKBA r.e. Hauraki has prompted them to push Obst through faster!!

wakey just been docked 4 points by rfl

No worries! Re McDermott, I agree that it's of course possible he could do well at Leeds but I don't see how anyone can argue that replacing a coach who has achieved as much as McClennan with someone who did no more than the bare minimum at Harlequins can be seen as anything but a downgrade.