I know. Talk is cheap and they just just shut the feck up in the week talking absolute shoite about what they're going to do in the match

It's not all doom and gloom. We're still well placed and fighting in both competitions.You've gotta be in it to win it, and we're still in it.

Saints were far too hot for us tonight, but the next game is a different day.

we lack aggression in the pack.saints wouldn't have been so keen on fancy dan rugby ,if we had clouted a few early on.you have to dominate a team in the forewards to gain the upper hand in big games.

completely agree about the front row but wouldn't be at all surprised to see the current 4 props all here next year. Need 2 big, aggressive props for me. 1 who provides impact and 1 who plays long minutes. Another 2nd row and a loose man needed also. Too much salary cap tied up in outside backs for me which will leave us a forward short

What the feck is up with Taylor this year? Shadow of the player he has been in the last 2 seasons

Totally agree with all of that.

It seems our recruitment strategy for 2020 has been derailed by Fonua becoming available and sentiment (and the desire to be popular with the fans) leading us to sign him.

Whilst I admire him greatly be can't play prop and there is a cavernous hole at that position.

As it stands I can see us having the best backline in 2020 super League but losing game after game due to them never seeing the ball (apart from early tackles running the ball out in our quarter).

unless hull improve their home form,we wont make top 5 and wont deserve to..to be honest those people who keep buying a season pass like me are not getting value for money.

It's because he's doing 4 blokes work. I dare say anyone would be jaded on those circumstances.

I noticed tonight we were 0 -18 down when ellis came on,we never let a try in rest of the half,ellis went off and second half we collapsed again.

Fabulous St Helens team performance, they destroyed us with consummate ease, as good a team from a club side in living memory, outstanding disciplined, aware, fantastic coaching achievement, well done all the Hull fans, the majority stayed while we were schooled, but we stuck at it, it happens in sport, I thought we had a good chance tonight, but sometimes reality hits home, this is the level all teams should aspire to emulate. Outstanding

What’s the main factor behind Saints ?

Well it used to be Pilkingtons glass.

Before your time perhaps.

We wont have the best back line when we keep using Shaul at full back.